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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Do you know many parents whose goals for their family are as base as simply not shrivelling up and dying? As stated, most people I know want a lot more for their families. Survival is not the hugest rung on their life goal latter. And its hard to argue that in many places that does take two incomes, or with many people who do not earn what the top 1% earns etc.....That is hard to argue against. I would think that if having two incomes did not help your family you would only have one. So who are you to tell other families that they should be living on one.

    And I do not believe that the minimum wage is meant to be a vehicle to provide for home ownership etc etc. Its called MINIMUM wage for a reason.
    I missed this post. The statement was made that you (general you) could not survive on one income in today's day and age (Later clarified that is not what she meant, but that is what I went with at the time). I said that is not true. You can survive on one income. You might be poor, but you can still survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I did not say that anyone can easily live on one income. I said that you would not shrivel up and die on one income. That you could survive on one income. That if life forced you into the situation that you had to be on one income, that life would go on. If you go back and look, I specifically said it is not easy.
    You know a lot about single parents and one income. Have you ever been in their shoes? Seriously. It's quite insulting, as a single parent, reading your subjective definition about what surviving on one income is all about. My son and I don't want to just eat, sleep, and have shelter. He enjoys and deserves his swimming and sports classes. I enjoy going out to lunch with my friends. We like watching tv and listening to music and driving a car.

    Your definition is painful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am sure you can see how it came across as Alissa saying it was not possible in this day and age to live on one income. She did say that was not what she meant, but that is how it came across and I do know that there are people out there that do believe that way.
    Obviously I didn't make myself clear since you didn't understand what I meant, but again, when I said that I was debating the minimum wage and the way the wage disparity has grown since the 60's. It would be silly for me to say that NO ONE can survive on a single income, since clearly some people do. But I maintain that in order to do it successfully, you need to be making a living wage. I guess I don't really see what is offensive or controversial about that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    Now I'm calling you names. You are a piece of work, Melissa. I hope you are more pleasant to the people you encounter in real life than you are to some of the people you interact with on this board.
    This is way over the line. Please stick to debating the topic. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    $80K/year is your suggested "living wage"? I was thinking something much much less......but more than $20K/year.

    For me these are separate issues entirely.

    I would never argue that people can't opt to have a SAHP, since that is the way we work it in my family. I WOHM full time and my dh is a SAHD. We live quite comfortably, but I also don't make minimum wage and don't live in the most expensive areas of the country. Different issues IMO, not sure how they got tangled in this debate.

    I think what Alissa was referring to is that bc of the wage disparity in our country, more people cannot choose that lifestyle. I think of my grandparents. They both had an 8th grade education and worked in a factory and a grocery store to support their family. They had 5 kids, owned a 4 bedroom home, and were a solid blue collar family. Today that is more difficult to achieve bc we are paying the top 1% so much and everyone else much less. If things were more equal, perhaps more would enjoy a better quality of life. Is that what you meant, Alissa?
    Yes, that is correct. A lot of people no longer make a living wage which makes it much harder to support a family without assistance, which is a change from past trends. Obviously, if you *do* make a living wage, then that doesn't apply to you.

    eta: I also wouldn't put a living wage at $80K in most places. I would expect it to be much lower than that in most areas. And finally, I don't expect many teens to work full time until they are out of school, so while their hourly wages might be higher than they are now, I doubt they would be making $20K a year or whatever the min equals out to for 40 hours a week for a full year. Of course, once a teen is out of school s/he may need a living wage since they may well be supporting themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    You know a lot about single parents and one income. Have you ever been in their shoes? Seriously. It's quite insulting, as a single parent, reading your subjective definition about what surviving on one income is all about. My son and I don't want to just eat, sleep, and have shelter. He enjoys and deserves his swimming and sports classes. I enjoy going out to lunch with my friends. We like watching tv and listening to music and driving a car.

    Your definition is painful.
    Please understand I mean no offence. I do believe strongly that if someone wants to go down to one income, that it can be possible. I do also think it is incorrect to say that it is not possible to survive on one income because yes, you can survive on one income. I do not think anyone should be trying to just survive, but to thrive. As I said before, everyone needs to do whatever is best for themselves and their family. I apologise for any offence.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Obviously I didn't make myself clear since you didn't understand what I meant, but again, when I said that I was debating the minimum wage and the way the wage disparity has grown since the 60's. It would be silly for me to say that NO ONE can survive on a single income, since clearly some people do. But I maintain that in order to do it successfully, you need to be making a living wage. I guess I don't really see what is offensive or controversial about that statement.
    After you clarified, I understand that you did not mean it how I first took it. What I had thought you were saying was that no family in today's society can SURVIVE on one income unless they are very rich. I understand now that is not what you meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    You know a lot about single parents and one income. Have you ever been in their shoes? Seriously. It's quite insulting, as a single parent, reading your subjective definition about what surviving on one income is all about. My son and I don't want to just eat, sleep, and have shelter. He enjoys and deserves his swimming and sports classes. I enjoy going out to lunch with my friends. We like watching tv and listening to music and driving a car.

    Your definition is painful.
    I have been a single parent with 4 kids on my own income and I managed to survive. So I think I can speak for how it is. I think it is crazy to think that a living wage has to include luxuries like sports classes. I got some Child Support but that really didn't count because the bills I was left with in the divorce were over the amount that I received in Child Support. I had a fairly good income because I put myself through college before I had kids. My parents didn't pay for my school. If a parent doesn't want to support kids on minimum wage then they shouldn't have them before they can support them. If they do have them and have to support them on minimum wage then they shouldn't be complaining that they don't have swimming lessons and sports classes because that is the choice they made.
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    I have to say that I'm impressed single parent can raise kids on an average wage. I did go to university and I make a decent salary. However, childcare is ridiculously expensive (where I am). It eats up most of my salary and there is no way I could afford rent/mortgage and childcare here. If I had 3 kids,I would be losing money until they are in school. We want a third and I will stop working then until my oldest 2 are at school

    I work because I like it. Financially, it makes no difference to us until they are out of daycare. Due to the nature of my work, I would not be able to find work in that area if I stayed out of the job market for 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I have been a single parent with 4 kids on my own income and I managed to survive. So I think I can speak for how it is. I think it is crazy to think that a living wage has to include luxuries like sports classes. I got some Child Support but that really didn't count because the bills I was left with in the divorce were over the amount that I received in Child Support. I had a fairly good income because I put myself through college before I had kids. My parents didn't pay for my school. If a parent doesn't want to support kids on minimum wage then they shouldn't have them before they can support them.If they do have them and have to support them on minimum wage then they shouldn't be complaining that they don't have swimming lessons and sports classes because that is the choice they made.
    That is more than unfair, Gloria. People lose their jobs, people get sick and can't work, couples split and a SAHM or SAHD suddenly finds themself in the workforce with possibly no education or work experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    That is more than unfair, Gloria. People lose their jobs, people get sick and can't work, couples split and a SAHM or SAHD suddenly finds themself in the workforce with possibly no education or work experience.
    How is that unfair? If I am living on assistance or supporting my kids on minimum wage I wouldn't be expecting the minimum wage to be increased so I can send my kids for swimming lessons. That isn't a necessity.
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