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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    I totally disagree- I talk with my pharmacist about all my meds.. I wouldn't talk about them with my best friends, parents or necessarily my husband either.
    Not sure they need a reminder about birth control.. not sure anyone doesn't know about a condom that is having sex. I think more about the risks of taking the medication itself... There are ALWAYS side effects to any medication... And do not sugar coat it or leave out things.. as dr's are prone to do.. even in medications that have nothing to do with procreation issues.
    Well that's you....my doctors don't sugar coat or leave things out, and my pharmacist doesn't discuss my medication with me. I have a local drug store where the pharmacist knows me well enough to ask about the kids and chit chat and I get thyroid medication and birth control and he never gets involved.

    Discussing possible side effects and how to handle them is different from giving some scared girl a lecture on contraception and sex. Another solution is including literature with the medication that isn't like the usual folded piece of paper with tiny detailed print, but a proper information sheet geared towards young women with a clear description of possible side effects and appropriate treatment, perhaps some local resources as well.

    So....would that do it? Because I don't see the alternative -- making it harder for girls and women to get this pill -- as being an improvement. It won't help the girls who are having sex too young, or against their will, it won't stop abuse. If those are the things that are of concern, I don't see how holding back the morning after pill will make those things better. Making it available certainly doesn't make things worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Do not assume you know what I want. My agenda against this has little to do with the pill and more to do with the assumption that little girls are capable of making big decisions all by themselves. I am totallly fine with adults taking itDh's best friend is a pharmacist, part of their job is to monitor patients to make sure abuse is not happening (either abuse of the drug, or of the patient taking the drug)
    She has already made the "big decision". She has already had sex. Presumably something happened, a condom broke, or they just plum forgot to use birth control, who knows WHAT happened ~ and now she is making a responsible decision to use emergency birth control. This pill is simply not a big deal. A quickie double dose of birth control pills. Who hasn't forgotten a pill one day and taken two the next day? I've done that a hundred times before. Seriously. I just don't get this association between a teenager having sex and ABUSE. Could someone explain that to me? I would be willing to bet that the majority of posters on this board had sex somewhere in their teens. I would also bet that 99.9 percent of that sex was consentual, willing, happy sex. NOT abuse. What is this teen sex= abuse link in your mind?Bonita's weird statement earlier about those of us supporting this pill being okay with a man raping a child over and over is so weird and now your assumption that teen sex=abuse makes me think that you guys have a really warped view of what teens are doing. don't you read stats on this stuff? I didn't have sex till I was 18 and I was a HUGE outlier on this. Huge.I'm comfortable assuming that you have an agenda about this when you call this pill some "BIG DECISION" and assume that teens who take this will have bruising, need counseling, or are abuse victims, yes. Further, it is odd that you assume that all 12, or 14 year olds are playing with dolls. They aren't. Some are sexually active. That is normal in some communities or cultures, not all children are exactly like yours, and that is okay.
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    I thought this wasn't about who was using plan b but about the young teens who want to?

    I still think birth control options should be mentioned when purchasing. it could be verbal or it could be as a pamphlet.

    I know married women who have an oops don't like it but this isn't about you. we didn't like my husband being repeatedly questioned about violence but there is a reason. I didn't like STD testing while pregnant because I know Im negative. Stuff happens.

    10% of women not wanting to get pregnant but who are having sex use no birth control, not even natural family planning . I don't care if they are 12 or 42, those women need to be reminded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    I totally disagree- I talk with my pharmacist about all my meds.. I wouldn't talk about them with my best friends, parents or necessarily my husband either.
    Not sure they need a reminder about birth control.. not sure anyone doesn't know about a condom that is having sex. I think more about the risks of taking the medication itself... There are ALWAYS side effects to any medication... And do not sugar coat it or leave out things.. as dr's are prone to do.. even in medications that have nothing to do with procreation issues.

    That is unusual, I think. I talk to my Dr's, not my pharmacist. Either way, that has nothing to do with this debate, as Dr's are not involved with this pill. These side effects simply aren't that big of a deal, if they were this would not be available without a prescription, let alone OTC.

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    But I don't think that reminder should be from a pharmacist. How does that pharmacist even know she isn't taking proper birth control...say she IS using a condom only. That is proper birth control. By asking they are really getting intrusive don't you think? Even if they normally take bcp...who is to say they aren't using a different pharmacy? I could go to Rite Aid like I normally do but since I'm at Target I could pick up plan b there while doing something else. Who knows? Same for teens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danifo View Post
    I made the pharmacist comment and I also said I can see how it wouldn't work in real life. if they can't talk to a known adult, they aren't going to want to talk to a random pharmacist. But I think that should be an option.

    Tylenol does have side effects but any medication worth taking does. You can take proper dosage daily or multiple times a month with a neglible risk. To me that is the biggest difference. I doubt taking Plan B frequently is good for you .

    I honestly think anyone who needs Plan B should get the reminder about proper birth control . It may not apply to everyone and if it doesn't they can ignore it. But if it helps a few people use proper protection it is worth it.

    when I hemorrhaged 5 days post partum, every doctor I saw that day asked my husband to leave the room and asked me about domestic violence and asked about what BC we were using (5 days post partum?) and reminded me breast feeding was not reliable BC. There was no indication that I needed to be asked and by the 5th time my husband was getting offended. However, I understand they need to ask.

    routine contraception should be continued or initiated as soon as possible following use of Plan B One-Step to ensure ongoing prevention of pregnancy.


    Plan B One-Step is not effective in terminating an existing pregnancy.

    A follow-up physical or pelvic examination is recommended if there is any doubt concerning the general health or pregnancy status of any woman after taking Plan B One-Step.

    Do not use Plan B One-Step as routine contraception.

    Plan B One-Step does not protect against HIV-infection (AIDS) and other sexually transmitted diseases/infections.

    All of that is taken DIRECTLY from the Plan B packing insert information. I don't think that hearing it from any random strange man is going to be more effective than reading it, and the risk of scaring teens or making them afraid of having the police called on them is too great to make it worth this idea of forcing them to receive "counseling" from unqualified people. They have access to all of the information you want them to have already via the packaging. Good enough for me, with no threat of police for responsible teens taking this valuable, safe product as intended to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Perfect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Do not assume you know what I want. My agenda against this has little to do with the pill and more to do with the assumption that little girls are capable of making big decisions all by themselves.
    Why are you assuming that a "little girl" who has the emotional maturity to make a willful, consious decision to have sex with a friend is somehow incapable of making a decision about preventing a pregnancy? I think the fact that she has the knowledge & foresight to actually seek out the MAP shows precisely that she *is* capable of making that decision. Some 12yos might still be playing with dolls and not know much about their bodies, but not every 12yo is the same. At that age, I'd been a latchkey kid for about five years, doing my own laundry and making the family dinners for years, and I took my baby sister to daycare or Nana's house every morning before school. And I'd been dealing with AF for two years without my mom even being aware I'd started.
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    Whenever I get a prescription filled at the pharmacy, the assistant asks if I have had the drug before. If no, then they call the pharmacist over and she quickly goes over the side effects, dosage and warnings. It takes less than a minute and I am able to ask any questions I have. I especially appreciate this when I am nursing as I like the double check that the med is safe. If I say I am familiar with the med I pay for it and leave without the conversation. Either way a full page printout stating those things is included in the bag if I need to reference it. I wouldn't mind something like this being done for plan B. I like the idea that the child be offered the option to discuss the med and ask questions if they want to, and even if they say no, the larger pamphlet is more likely to be read than the small one in the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I just don't get this association between a teenager having sex and ABUSE. Could someone explain that to me? I would be willing to bet that the majority of posters on this board had sex somewhere in their teens. I would also bet that 99.9 percent of that sex was consentual, willing, happy sex. NOT abuse.
    Exactly! I was 14 when I had spur-of-the-moment reckless sex with a friend. The reason we were home alone together that afternoon was because our entire group of friends had gone to see "Blue Lagoon" but our moms thought it was too sexual. So they didn't let us go and I went over to his house to work on a school project. We were talking about how it wasn't fair, how our moms were prudes, and I said, "You know, we could actually be having sex right now instead of watching it on a movie screen." We laughed about that for a while, but then we decided to do it. It was weird & fun & awkward, no coercion, no abuse, and no reason at all to involve parents, doctors, or pharmacists for "counseling." I knew enough about my body & fertility cycles to know that I was probably safe, but waiting those few days until my period started was stressful. Plan B would have been a great option but there's no way I'd have done it if there had been hoops to jump through. Condoms can be purchased OTC but those can cause a latex reaction, which is probably a more common side effect than the MAP side effects, so do you want to put those behind the counter, too? You know, because "little girls" are too stupid to read the instructions & warnings.
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    Someone asked earlier about the stats from the CDC. They define "teen pregnancy" and "teen birth rate" as those in women under the age of 18. Married 18 & 19 year olds aren't swaying the statistics.
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