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    No one can "take it upon themselves" to give your daughters birth control. It's something they have to request. And for crying out loud, it's NOT a medication!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I disagree. I think across the board either an 11 or 12 old is old enough to make medical decisions concerning her own body, or she is not. I believe in both cases, an 11 or 12 year old is not old enough to make medical decisions without the input of her parents or if they are court deemed unfit, then another adult. It is tragic and horrifying that it happens or that there is a need for it, but an 11 year old just should not be making these kinds of decisions.
    But at 13 it's okay? I believe in both cases she IS if she has to be- i.e she has chisen to be sexually active and had a bc accident and meeds access to map to prevent a pregnancy - or if she is the vict of horrible sexual abuse and incest she should have the option to choose an early and easy abortion. i think forcing pregnancy on an 11 year old child is sick. Sadly- in chile she has no choice.

    Anyway- I'm not doing MAP again with you. You comparing consentual MAP to a 14 week rape pregnancy just irks me too much. Sorry! Good cross debate though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    No one can "take it upon themselves" to give your daughters birth control. It's something they have to request. And for crying out loud, it's NOT a medication!
    What is it if it is not a medication?? IMO, if it needs an RX, it is a medication. Even herbs and teas are considered medication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    But at 13 it's okay?
    No, I do not believe any minor should be taking medication without parental knowledge. I do feel stronger though about an 11 or 12 year old than I do a 16 or 17 year old.

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    There is a big difference between thinking that an 11 year old cannot consent to sex and thinking they should get access to birth control.

    I can't even believe we're debating the difference of an 11 year old being molested for 2 years and getting pregnant with rapist's baby to if a pre teen should have access to a morning after pill to prevent a pregnancy.

    This is so weird to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    There is a big difference between thinking that an 11 year old cannot consent to sex and thinking they should get access to birth control.

    I can't even believe we're debating the difference of an 11 year old being molested for 2 years and getting pregnant with rapist's baby to if a pre teen should have access to a morning after pill to prevent a pregnancy.
    There may be some 11 year olds in the US that are having consensual sex with other 11 year olds. Many though, are probably also victims of abuse. Statiory rape and insest. Same as the other countries. The difference is that here the easy access to BC and the MAP that the abuse can go on indefinitely undetected.

    My point is whether or not an 11 year old is old enough to make her own medical decisions. Is the answer yes if the decision is an abortion or BP, but no if she choses to have the baby and either keep it or give it up for adoption? That just does not make sense.

    You may say the decision of whether or not to report the rape and abuse and go to the hospital or just go to the pharmacy and get the MAP is not a big decision, but I think that is a very big decision for an 11 year old. My heart breaks for anyone in the situation. I do think in either country, most 11 year olds in need of the morning after pill or regular BC are victims of abuse. (no, I do not have any hard facts on that. I just do not think most 11 year olds needing MAP need it because they were having consensual sex.) FTR - I am not saying never give BC to an 11 year old. I am saying not to do it without parental consent, or if the parent is the one doing the abusing, alerting an adult that CPS needs to be involved and the child needs to be protected from the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    What is it if it is not a medication?? IMO, if it needs an RX, it is a medication. Even herbs and teas are considered medication.
    Okay, then using your argument you must be not cool with an 11 year old buying chamomile or toothpaste. There are a zillion things that contain medicinal ingredients that teens have access to. Should all those products require a prescription? Of course not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    My point is whether or not an 11 year old is old enough to make her own medical decisions. Is the answer yes if the decision is an abortion or BP, but no if she choses to have the baby and either keep it or give it up for adoption? That just does not make sense.
    It actually makes perfect sense when your POV is that you don't want children having children. Children sometimes make mistakes and our job as parents is to make sure that one mistake doesn't ruin their health, their life, their future. If my 11yo has the presence of mind to think about birth control along with thinking about having consensual sex with a friend, then I absolutely want her to be able to get it. If my 11yo messes up and has reckless sex and then thinks the next day that she wants MAP, then I absolutely want her to be able to get it. If my 11yo's mistake results in her being pregnant, then I consider it my job to take over and do what I need to do to protect her -- her health, her life, and her future -- and that would be to get her an abortion as soon as possible. I trust that the emotional healing from that will be far easier than the physical and emotional healing of pregnancy and birth and adoption, because an 11yo CAN NOT raise a child. I'm not going to raise any more kids, so adoption would be the only option.

    And that's all I'm saying on this one. If you have more questions, someone else can answer them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    It actually makes perfect sense when your POV is that you don't want children having children. Children sometimes make mistakes and our job as parents is to make sure that one mistake doesn't ruin their health, their life, their future. If my 11yo has the presence of mind to think about birth control along with thinking about having consensual sex with a friend, then I absolutely want her to be able to get it. If my 11yo messes up and has reckless sex and then thinks the next day that she wants MAP, then I absolutely want her to be able to get it. If my 11yo's mistake results in her being pregnant, then I consider it my job to take over and do what I need to do to protect her -- her health, her life, and her future -- and that would be to get her an abortion as soon as possible. I trust that the emotional healing from that will be far easier than the physical and emotional healing of pregnancy and birth and adoption, because an 11yo CAN NOT raise a child. I'm not going to raise any more kids, so adoption would be the only option.

    And that's all I'm saying on this one. If you have more questions, someone else can answer them.
    But those are your parenting philosophies. Those parenting philosophies should not be forced on everyone. In the States where there is no parental consent or notification, young teens are making those decisions completely alone without the help or input of their parents or other adults.

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    It's YOUR job to set the expectations for how your child act and what services they seek out.

    My expectation is that I don't want my kids at a movie alone before age 14 with a boy than I set that expectation. Do expect that to be a law?
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