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    Quote Originally Posted by elleon17 View Post
    I'm not sure how I feel about it. Part of me likes having it as an OTC option and I used it when we had an oops shortly after having DS and certainly not ready for #2 yet.

    But then again, I go into CVS the other day and they wouldn't sell an energy drink without id of being over 18 (not sure what brand).

    I know it is safe, but is it safe if repeatedly used? Maybe if it could just be available via school nurse or planned parenthood for those underage, so at least there is some doctor supervision.
    I am not naive enough to think that teenagers are not having sex. I do think they should have to talk to SOMEONE, be it a nurse or pharmacist before taking the medicine.
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    It *is* hard to debate with someone who has a fundamental misunderstanding of how something works. You think the morning-after pill is a medicine with consequences, that it can be taken wrong, that it being behind the counter makes it akin to cough syrup, etc. and those incorrect beliefs are informing your posts about this. It's not any of those. It's the same hormones that girl's body is making anyway, just more of it at once. Now that we're all on the same page about what the morning-after pill is and is not, what are your arguments against it being available OTC to *all* women and not just young girls? Like Melis, I had to use it once when a condom broke, and I was very happy that it was so easily available in my state.
    Stacy, I am not addressing adult use in this. I am debating young girls using it without adult knowledge or counsel. You must see it is two totally different issues for an adult full grown woman taking something, and a 11-13 year old girl taking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    The alternative to making it available this way is unwanted pregnancies for 12-year-olds, you know? What's worse, them having access to a pill, or them getting pregnant?
    If a 12 year old girl is having sex, someone should be knowing about that to try to help her.

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    I dont like this being made OTC for young girls, fine with it for those over 18. I just believe a girl between 12-18 should have somebody helping her with something like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    I don't see where anyone argued that it doesn't prevent fertilization. But to call the lack of implantation an "abortion" is uneducated because it ignores the basic medical facts about both things. You might as well call every period you have a "miscarriage" because you might have had a fertilized egg floating around in there that didn't stick.
    It was stated in the article.

    No, I would call that a miscarriage, not an abortion, because I didn't cause it or choose it. Many many people have early miscarriages without ever knowing they had concieved. And yes, I'm aware that the "medical community" doesn't technically consider it a pregnancy until the egg implants....but science is not my God and I believe the medical community is wrong I'm sure that makes me too uneducated to debate with.

    And no, Melissa, the rude way you talk to people that don't agree with you doesn't offend me anymore. I just feel sorry for you, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If a 12 year old girl is having sex, someone should be knowing about that to try to help her.
    I agree with that, yes. BUT....for some girls, there isn't anyone. So what is the alternative? Getting pregnant? Those are the girls who will be the worst off if they get pregnant, as they won't have any support. These girls need this the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    It was stated in the article.

    No, I would call that a miscarriage, not an abortion, because I didn't cause it or choose it. Many many people have early miscarriages without ever knowing they had concieved. And yes, I'm aware that the "medical community" doesn't technically consider it a pregnancy until the egg implants....but science is not my God and I believe the medical community is wrong I'm sure that makes me too uneducated to debate with.

    And no, Melissa, the rude way you talk to people that don't agree with you doesn't offend me anymore. I just feel sorry for you, actually
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    While I appreciate your pity, trust me I don't need it. Unlike you I am living the life I want, and I don't need your pity. You only look foolish when you portend to "pity" me for being unkind or rude, while being the exact same way in a passive aggressive way. Everyone understands that you don't like me, you state it over and over. Again and again I have welcomed you to either ignore me, or PM me, or do whatever you have to do to stop debating with me if you so loathe my debating style. Instead, you continue to engage me, quote me, and then tell me how much you "pity" me. Thank you. It is quite unchristian of you, but if this is the way you practice your faith, okay.

    If you admit you are uneducated about this, why are you still debating? Or are you being sarcastic?

    Either way. If you believe what God says you probably believe condoms are wrong, too, right? Doesn't god yell at somebody for spilling their seed when they were sleeping with their wives servant or something? I feel like I remember something like that. Coitus interruptus. That would be logical to me. I would agree that that position is consistent. I feel like the catholic church is really the only fair position on BC. To block conception via condoms is no different than to block is via BC, to me. Its still stopping Gods will and preventing conception. Stopping life. Like an abortion pill, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I agree with that, yes. BUT....for some girls, there isn't anyone. So what is the alternative? Getting pregnant? Those are the girls who will be the worst off if they get pregnant, as they won't have any support. These girls need this the most.
    There are no perfect answers. I do know that the answer is not giving the morning after pill. There are so many other consequences of sex. Disease, emotional trauma. If you just provide an out for pregnancy, you are enabling the rest to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    There are no perfect answers. I do know that the answer is not giving the morning after pill. There are so many other consequences of sex. Disease, emotional trauma. If you just provide an out for pregnancy, you are enabling the rest to continue.
    And if you just make her have a baby, you are enabling the rest to continue AND you are likely ruining her life and setting her child up for a VERY difficult road.

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    Then either :
    A. They aren't using condoms at all so that is still going to happen and no one would know about it.

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    B. They are using condoms to prevent stds and pregnancy and know the precautions to take and know to take plan b. I'm assuming if they are responsible for the first 2 they are responsible to speak to a doctor, PP, a school nurse etc. about possible std.s
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If a 12 year old girl is having sex, someone should be knowing about that to try to help her.
    What about the girls who have one-time stupid thing with a friend, once, and realized what a huge risk it was and promise themselves to not ever do it again until they're older, why do those girls need "help"? Sounds like some pretty good decision-making to me, and involving parents or doctors is probably only going to complicate things. The only problem is when that one-time stupid thing results in a pregnancy, and this pill helps reduce that risk, and if you don't think preventing 12yos from getting pregnant is a very good thing, then I'm just very glad that you will never be a position like this judge to allow your religious views to supercede what's best for a young girl and society in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    I dont like this being made OTC for young girls, fine with it for those over 18. I just believe a girl between 12-18 should have somebody helping her with something like this.
    Who do you propose this "somebody" should be? A parent? If a girl wants her parents to be involved in her sexual health decisions, and believes that she will get the support she needs from them, then she *will* involve them. But what if she knows that she has a mom like Bonita who would do anything possible to keep her from interfering with what her mom believes is God's will? What if she knows that her father would beat the living daylights out of her? Should it be a doctor? How often can you get in to see your OB/GYN with less than 24 hours' notice? I can't! If she's old enough to make the decision about having sex, then she's old enough to make the health care decisions that go along with it. The fact is that the same 12-year-old could get a prescription for BCP without her parents knowing; why should we restrict her from getting the morning-after pill?

    If she's been raped, then yes, she should tell someone. And I think that message needs to come from parents before the rape happens, not when she shows up at a drugstore looking for Plan B. I think the instinct for most parents is to shelter their young girls from the reality that they might be voilated, but I'm not sure that's a good idea. I want my daughter to know that she can always say no, to anyone even a boyfriend, and she can change her mind, and that if anyone touches her in a sexual way that she doesn't want, that I will get her the help she needs. And the most immediately important help IMHO would be to keep her from getting pregnant from it.
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