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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    NOw, call me crazy, but what exactly do you guys want a pharmacist want asking a 1 2 year old at the counter without your permission? Could you detail what that interaction would look like?

    "Who did you have sex with little girl? Did it feel good? tell me more about it before I give you the pill? Show me what you did?"Why do you trust the pharmacist more than you trust your daughter??

    Yeah, NOT.
    Any 12 old needing the pill should be considered to be a possible rape, and it should be reported asap.
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    Are all pharmacist in your areas creepers? My thought process is that a pharmacist, hopefully a female if one was available, would make sure the child (lets be real, under 16 they are really still children) understood what they were taking, how to take it, what to watch for, make sure they knew where the BC was that would prevent STDs. And maybe I am underestimating what a pharmacist is capable of but kind of get a feel for what is going on with that child. Pharmacists are mandatory reporters (at least they are here) and they may be able to help if they notice excessive bruising or something amiss.
    I just think it is really ridiculous to treat these children like they are totally capable of running their lives all on their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    NOw, call me crazy, but what exactly do you guys want a pharmacist want asking a 1 2 year old at the counter without your permission? Could you detail what that interaction would look like?

    "Who did you have sex with little girl? Did it feel good? tell me more about it before I give you the pill? Show me what you did?"Why do you trust the pharmacist more than you trust your daughter??

    Yeah, NOT.
    Really? you think a pharmacist that is making sure a med is understood equals that? Pretty sick
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Are all pharmacist in your areas creepers? My thought process is that a pharmacist, hopefully a female if one was available, would make sure the child (lets be real, under 16 they are really still children) understood what they were taking, how to take it, what to watch for, make sure they knew where the BC was the would prevent STDs. And maybe I am underestimating what a pharmacist is capable of but kind of get a feel for what is going on with that child. Pharmacists are mandatory reporters (at least they are here) and they may be able to help if they notice excessive bruising or something amiss.
    I just think it is really ridiculous to treat these children like they are totally capable of running their lives all on their own.
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    Potential side effects of Plan B or Plan B One-Step include:

    nausea
    abdominal pain
    fatigue
    headache
    menstrual changes
    dizziness
    breast tenderness
    vomiting
    diarrhea

    Plan B or Plan B One-Step causes less nausea and vomiting than ECPs that contain both estrogen and progestin. And, you may be able to reduce any nausea or vomiting by taking the pill on a full stomach. Eating small, frequent meals over 24 hours may also help.

    With Plan B or Plan B One-Step, you may also have some unexpected bleeding. It should go away by the time of your next period. However, it is possible that Plan B or Plan B One-Step may cause your next period to be heavier or lighter than usual. It may also come earlier or later than is normal for you. If you don't get your period within three weeks, get a pregnancy test to make sure you're not pregnant.


    The bolded is from the WebMD website. If it was your 12 year old (or any age for that matter) child would you not want that explained to them? I would. I would also love for them to know that the MAP is not as effective as regular BCP, and that is absolutely doesnt prevent STDs. Also, I dont think it would be out of the question for them to ask if the child has any allergies to what is in the drug or ask if they have a health issue that might make the pill a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Are all pharmacist in your areas creepers? My thought process is that a pharmacist, hopefully a female if one was available, would make sure the child (lets be real, under 16 they are really still children) understood what they were taking, how to take it, what to watch for, make sure they knew where the BC was that would prevent STDs. And maybe I am underestimating what a pharmacist is capable of but kind of get a feel for what is going on with that child. Pharmacists are mandatory reporters (at least they are here) and they may be able to help if they notice excessive bruising or something amiss.
    I just think it is really ridiculous to treat these children like they are totally capable of running their lives all on their own.
    See ~this is the difference. You don't want people to have access to this drug, and I do. So you want to set up a power differential , whereby a woman feels scared or intimidated to ask for what they need ~ and I DON'T!
    You guys make every person wanting plan B 12. I bet that 99% of people who use planB are NOT 12!!!! So lets not make plan B something that , say, a 18 year old like I was (who was a field hockey goalie) who had bruises (because I was a GOALIE) and I was 5'3 and 90 lbs and looked about 15......don't put me in a position where I need to ask some stranger please pretty please may I have a pill I need because I had RESPONSIBLE consentual sex and a condom broke.

    You guys may be teaching your children that "ANY ADULT" is a safe person to talk to about their personal sexual life, but that isn't how we are doing it. (Are you guys really doing that? You scare me?) And no, I don't think that they are all creepers, but I also don't know that they are therapists, or Dr's, or counselors, or that they in any way have ANY training which would give them license to talk to a scared teen. I DO NOT think that teens are waltzing into pharmacies bragging about needing Plan B. I can only speak from my personal experience as a 35 yo woman.....but we had a BC slip up late at night, I was on the phone at 8 AM, and in the drive through line with a red face at 9 AM. Even as a MARRIED WOMAN with 3 kids in the car I felt weird, like I was wearing this big sign that said "HAD GREAT SEX LAST NIGHT! OOPS **** BROKE!!!!" You want some poor teenager to have to walk in and talk to some strange man about it? Some man who is eying her up just looking for a reason to CALL THE POLICE ON HER? Yeah, no thanks. What you really want is to make kids to scared and intimidated and ashamed to ask for it, so they won't use it, so teen pregnancies continue, because there is a religious agenda against this pill. Its okay to admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Potential side effects of Plan B or Plan B One-Step include:

    nausea
    abdominal pain
    fatigue
    headache
    menstrual changes
    dizziness
    breast tenderness
    vomiting
    diarrhea

    Plan B or Plan B One-Step causes less nausea and vomiting than ECPs that contain both estrogen and progestin. And, you may be able to reduce any nausea or vomiting by taking the pill on a full stomach. Eating small, frequent meals over 24 hours may also help.

    With Plan B or Plan B One-Step, you may also have some unexpected bleeding. It should go away by the time of your next period. However, it is possible that Plan B or Plan B One-Step may cause your next period to be heavier or lighter than usual. It may also come earlier or later than is normal for you. If you don't get your period within three weeks, get a pregnancy test to make sure you're not pregnant.


    The bolded is from the WebMD website. If it was your 12 year old (or any age for that matter) child would you not want that explained to them? I would. I would also love for them to know that the MAP is not as effective as regular BCP, and that is absolutely doesnt prevent STDs. Also, I dont think it would be out of the question for them to ask if the child has any allergies to what is in the drug or ask if they have a health issue that might make the pill a bad idea.
    • Allergic reaction: Itching or hives, swelling in your face or hands, swelling or tingling in your mouth or throat, chest tightness, trouble breathing
    • Bloody or black, tarry stools
    • Dark-colored urine or pale stools
    • Lightheadedness, fainting, sweating, or weakness
    • Nausea, vomiting, loss of appetite, or severe stomach pain
    • Unusual bleeding or bruising
    • Vomiting blood or material that looks like coffee grounds
    • Yellowing of the skin or the whites of your eyes


      Those are the side effects from tylenol. Do you also think all people under 18 should have to have counseling from a pharmacist/be looked at for bruising/subject to a call to the police etc when they purchase Tylenol? After all, Tylenol can actually KILL them.



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    I don't understand. We don't want sex ed in schools where kids are being taught, but we want random pharmacists discussing their personal sex lives in front of other drugstore customers? And this is acceptable?

    Or you want to intimidate young scared girls who are alone so they don't ask for help?

    It's one thing to discuss physical side effects. But would that satisfy all of you? I don't call it "counseling" when I pick up antibiotics and the pharmacist says, "Don't forget to take them with food."

    I seriously cannot see the reality of putting the pharmacist in this position, to give any more than physical side effects. Who says they are trained in how to speak to young girls about sex? And in a public setting? How is that even remotely appropriate?
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    Thank you Laurie! YES!

    You girls have gone on a 180 about this subject ~ From NO ONE EVER CAN EDUCATE MY CHILDREN ABOUT SEX......

    to ANY adult can and MUST talk to them about sex. Including male pharmacists.
    Exactly, even if it is just a pharmacist!
    You must see the irony, right?
    Last edited by Potter75; 04-06-2013 at 08:51 AM. Reason: mixed up words
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    The stats you are using are not consistant to what we are debating... just to be clear.. we are not talking about liberal christianity.. We are talking right wing christians.. who by the following survey would be in a minority... as we are equating right wing christianity to anti-abortion for any reason. Right wing Christians, also would not put themselves into the same group as jehovah witness or muslim... or even Catholic.. So we would be specifically discussing Very conservative Protestants... This link shows stats specifically as to what each religion views regarding abortion. As you can see the percentage is small of Protestants that are very conservative regarding abortion..
    We are not talking about Anyone who calls themselves a Christian, nor the Bible Belt.

    Pew Forum: U.S. Abortion Views by Religious Affiliation
    This also points to the issue with the data we used in our debate -
    Conservative Christians
    Another indicator that stated religion does not automatically line up with abortion views, nor political ones -
    Mormons Most Conservative Major Religious Group in U.S.

    With all this data, it would be very hard to find a conclusive study as to who is actually having abortions.. Not sure there has been a good conclusive study on the Religious and Political beliefs of those having abortions and their family life.
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