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Should she be fired or at least put on hiatus after saying these things on air?

I find this woman to be awful. I am really horrified mostly that she called a little baby and "it" The whole segment was very racist. I believe she should be fired and I hope that there is an outcry from the NAACP for that as there was when Phil Robertson made his statement

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I didn't see in the article where she called the baby an "it", but regardless the whole thing sounds gross and racist and yes, I would be fine if MSNBC decides that she does not represent them in the way they wish to present themselves and fires her.

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That has always been one of my biggest pet peeves. A baby is NOT an "it." I even loathe the banners, cards, erc. that read, "It's a girl!"

Anyway, I saw the picture on the CNN website and didn't pay any attention to the picture. It took me a while to figure out what the news person was referring to.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Still not freedom from consequences.

If she comes out now and says, "My religious beliefs are that children should only be raised by parents of the same race," will people support her freedom of religion? Regardless of whether those are commonly-held believes or not, if they are her religious beliefs, is that enough to rally around her?

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

That has always been one of my biggest pet peeves. A baby is NOT an "it." I even loathe the banners, cards, erc. that read, "It's a girl!"

Anyway, I saw the picture on the CNN website and didn't pay any attention to the picture. It took me a while to figure out what the news person was referring to.

Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Still not freedom from consequences.

If she comes out now and says, "My religious beliefs are that children should only be raised by parents of the same race," will people support her freedom of religion? Regardless of whether those are commonly-held believes or not, if they are her religious beliefs, is that enough to rally around her?

I would hope that people would rally around her if in fact she could prove that being a racist was her religion. Dont know that it would happen though.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I would hope that people would rally around her if in fact she could prove that being a racist was her religion. Dont know that it would happen though.

What exactly is necessary to prove a religious belief?

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I don't know how you can prove it. There are always different interpretations of the same text!

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"ethanwinfield" wrote:

What exactly is necessary to prove a religious belief?

With a historical text that is linked to a religious group like a bible? I am really not sure that it is possible to prove.

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MSNBC Host Apologizes For Comments About Mitt Romney's Grandson : Code Switch : NPR

Here's something that shows some more of what was said. I don't see where the host said anything egregious enough that would warrant her firing. Her guests, yes, some of them said some awful things, but saying that she would love to see Kieran Romney & North West get married so that Mitt & Kanye would be in-laws? I don't see anything racist with that.

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MSNBC Host Apologizes For Comments About Mitt Romney's Grandson : Code Switch : NPR

Here's something that shows some more of what was said. I don't see where the host said anything egregious enough that would warrant her firing. Her guests, yes, some of them said some awful things, but saying that she would love to see Kieran Romney & North West get married so that Mitt & Kanye would be in-laws? I don't see anything racist with that.

So why pick the only black grandchild to match up to marry North West? Why not say she would love to see one of the other grandchildren marry North West? Like because he is black he needs to be matched up with a little girl that is black? The implication seems kind of racist to me.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

So why pick the only black grandchild to match up to marry North West? Why not say she would love to see one of the other grandchildren marry North West? Like because he is black he needs to be matched up with a little girl that is black? The implication seems kind of racist to me.

I have to agree. (Gloria that's twice in a row!) But yeah...I always hate that implication.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

So why pick the only black grandchild to match up to marry North West? Why not say she would love to see one of the other grandchildren marry North West? Like because he is black he needs to be matched up with a little girl that is black? The implication seems kind of racist to me.

I would think it could also be because they were discussing THIS grandson already, AND the two babies are the same age, making a union more plausible. I am not saying that race didnt play into it, just that it didn't necessarily have to. Not something you can prove, I dont think.

As for the 'one of these things is not like the others' comment, I actually saw that as more of a commentary of the incredible homogeneity of the Romney family, which is highlighted by the inclusion of a dark skinned baby. I believe this picture was intended (by the romneys) to show how they are inclusive and represent everyone, but other than Kieran, there family is remarkably similar in looks.

Oh, and I listened for it, and couldnt see where she called the baby an it? Anyone have specifics of where in the video that is?

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

So why pick the only black grandchild to match up to marry North West? Why not say she would love to see one of the other grandchildren marry North West? Like because he is black he needs to be matched up with a little girl that is black? The implication seems kind of racist to me.

I would think it could also be because they were discussing THIS grandson already, AND the two babies are the same age, making a union more plausible. I am not saying that race didnt play into it, just that it didn't necessarily have to. Not something you can prove, I dont think.

As for the 'one of these things is not like the others' comment, I actually saw that as more of a commentary of the incredible homogeneity of the Romney family, which is highlighted by the inclusion of a dark skinned baby. I believe this picture was intended (by the romneys) to show how they are inclusive and represent everyone, but other than Kieran, there family is remarkably similar in looks.

Oh, and I listened for it, and couldnt see where she called the baby an it? Anyone have specifics of where in the video that is?

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I would think it could also be because they were discussing THIS grandson already, AND the two babies are the same age, making a union more plausible. I am not saying that race didnt play into it, just that it didn't necessarily have to. Not something you can prove, I dont think.

As for the 'one of these things is not like the others' comment, I actually saw that as more of a commentary of the incredible homogeneity of the Romney family, which is highlighted by the inclusion of a dark skinned baby. I believe this picture was intended (by the romneys) to show how they are inclusive and represent everyone, but other than Kieran, there family is remarkably similar in looks.

Oh, and I listened for it, and couldnt see where she called the baby an it? Anyone have specifics of where in the video that is?

I didn't catch the "it" part either.

Aren't many families remarkably similar in looks? Many families are all one color with similar facial features. And I don't think it was random that she picked another black baby to talk about. The whole thing seems racist to me, not horribly so in that way that she'd discriminate against somebody, but in that way in which some people simply can't see past skin color, it's the first and last thing they notice about a person.

By the way, the only place I've heard about it is here.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

I would hope that people would rally around her if in fact she could prove that being a racist was her religion. Dont know that it would happen though.

I honestly don't understand why people think that "It's my religion" makes an otherwise unacceptable behavior okay. I realize that people want religion to make anti-homosexual bigotry okay....but for me anyway, it doesn't. It wouldn't make racism okay either.

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ITA with what Kyla said. It was (supposed to be) a humorous segment in which the panel was discussing photos from the year and coming up with captions for them. I don't think she "picked another black baby." I think she picked another baby of the same age, and who was fathered by someone you would never dream of Mitt Romney wanting to socialize with, much less be in the same family with. I mean, if you want to call someone racist, how about the Romneys for putting the ONE black baby in their family, front & center? Why him? There were other babies being held by other grandkids at the back & sides. Oh, but to put him at the back would have been racist like they were trying to hide him. You can't win for losing with some people who just jump at the chance to scream racism.

And really, the producers probably should have seen this coming and pulled that photo from the lineup.

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ITA with what Kyla said. It was (supposed to be) a humorous segment in which the panel was discussing photos from the year and coming up with captions for them. I don't think she "picked another black baby." I think she picked another baby of the same age, and who was fathered by someone you would never dream of Mitt Romney wanting to socialize with, much less be in the same family with. I mean, if you want to call someone racist, how about the Romneys for putting the ONE black baby in their family, front & center? Why him? There were other babies being held by other grandkids at the back & sides. Oh, but to put him at the back would have been racist like they were trying to hide him. You can't win for losing with some people who just jump at the chance to scream racism.

And really, the producers probably should have seen this coming and pulled that photo from the lineup.

I just don't agree. I don't think she picked the other baby at random, especially paired with the "one of these things is not like the others" comment. It's a creepy thing to say when you're looking at someone's family.

And I don't think people taking family photos think about those things and I'd hope viewers don't either when it's a family photo. A family is a family, when you're in it those things don't even occur to you.

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That is REALLY grasping at straws to say the Romneys purposely placed the baby in the front of photos because he is black. How would they have ANY idea that someone would pick their picture out to say nasty things about it when they took that picture?

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Yeah, I don't understand how it's racist of the Romney's to have the grandson sitting on Mitt's lap (front and center) or would be racist to have him not front and center either? It's a family photo, hopefully all of the kids just piled in and they took a picture and all of the kids are as important and special and family as all of the rest of the kids. Hopefully race was never even considered. I would assume it wasn't.

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I just don't agree. I don't think she picked the other baby at random, especially paired with the "one of these things is not like the others" comment. It's a creepy thing to say when you're looking at someone's family.

And I don't think people taking family photos think about those things and I'd hope viewers don't either when it's a family photo. A family is a family, when you're in it those things don't even occur to you.

I dont know, Our youngest is really blond and when we hung out with DH's family this fall, who are native and various shades of brown (I even have dark hair), the big joke was that we picked him up at the mall, hope his parents dont miss him. It would not have surprised me to hear someone break out in that song if there had been a similar photo op. And we probable all would have laughed. I personally dont think that seeing skin colour is racist. It is making judgements based on that skin colour that makes you a racist (general you). If she had sung that one of these things isnt as smart as the others, or the comment had been about which kid is most likely to jack a car, I could see getting up in arms, but honestly, he doesnt look like the rest of his family. period. There is no hiding that and I dont think we all need to pretend not to see it.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

Yeah, I don't understand how it's racist of the Romney's to have the grandson sitting on Mitt's lap (front and center) or would be racist to have him not front and center either? It's a family photo, hopefully all of the kids just piled in and they took a picture and all of the kids are as important and special and family as all of the rest of the kids. Hopefully race was never even considered. I would assume it wasn't.

I assumed he was sitting on an adult lap because he appears to be the youngest, and therefore they wanted to make sure he was properly supported.

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I dont know, Our youngest is really blond and when we hung out with DH's family this fall, who are native and various shades of brown (I even have dark hair), the big joke was that we picked him up at the mall, hope his parents dont miss him. It would not have surprised me to hear someone break out in that song if there had been a similar photo op. And we probable all would have laughed. I personally dont think that seeing skin colour is racist. It is making judgements based on that skin colour that makes you a racist (general you). If she had sung that one of these things isnt as smart as the others, or the comment had been about which kid is most likely to jack a car, I could see getting up in arms, but honestly, he doesnt look like the rest of his family. period. There is no hiding that and I dont think we all need to pretend not to see it.

I don't think it's racist to see skin color, but I think it's racist when that's ALL you see. It seems to me that's all this woman saw, based solely on what I read. (I didn't watch it.) She looked at the picture and her head said, "black baby" and then her head said "oh, another black baby" and that's how she got to Kanye.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

I don't think it's racist to see skin color, but I think it's racist when that's ALL you see. It seems to me that's all this woman saw, based solely on what I read. (I didn't watch it.) She looked at the picture and her head said, "black baby" and then her head said "oh, another black baby" and that's how she got to Kanye.

I am not saying that is not how she got to this. I just think there are other ways it could have gone. I think if someone doesnt have a history of being or saying racist stuff, then we should give them the benefit of the doubt on it. I also found it interesting that she intro'd the picture as a 'baby' picture when it is clearly a family shot. I have never seen the picture before, but I assumed it was a released by the family and blew up in the media centred around baby Kieran earlier this year, and that is why the commentary centred there as well.

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I am not saying that is not how she got to this. I just think there are other ways it could have gone. I think if someone doesnt have a history of being or saying racist stuff, then we should give them the benefit of the doubt on it. I also found it interesting that she intro'd the picture as a 'baby' picture when it is clearly a family shot. I have never seen the picture before, but I assumed it was a released by the family and blew up in the media centred around baby Kieran earlier this year, and that is why the commentary centred there as well.

I agree on taking history into account.

Look...I've been down the road of being called racist and it was because I actually treated someone the same way I treated everyone else, and he took offense at THAT. The whole thing was ridiculous and awful.

I don't really know the details in this case but from what I read, it sounded like a very race-focused observation.

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I guess MSNBC didn't learn much from this incident.

MSNBC is in apology mode again, but it may take a mea culpa from the big boss to stop an all-out Republican boycott of appearances on the network.

The head of the GOP penned a letter to MSNBC President Phil Griffin telling him he is banning RNC personnel from any of the cable network's shows until Griffin "personally and publicly" apologizes for the channel's latest misstep. On Wednesday, MSNBC's official Twitter account sought to politicize a Cheerios commercial featuring a biracial family that debuted months ago and is slated to air in a new version during the Super Bowl.

"Maybe the rightwing will hate it, but everyone else will go awww: the adorable new #Cheerios ad w/ biracial family."

The Tweet prompted an angry tide of reaction from conservatives, many of whom noted their own families spanned races, either through marriage or adoption. Most wondered why the left-wing news network thought it was such a big deal.

Conservative commentator Michelle Malkin went on Twitter and urged her followers to send photos of their own biracial families to MSNBC’s Twitter feed with the hashtag “#MyRightWingBiracialFamily.”

The network quickly apologized for the Tweet, taking it down and posting two subsequent Tweets regarding it.

Earlier, this account tweeted an offensive line about the new Cheerios ad. We deeply regret it. It does not reflect the position of msnbc.
— msnbc (@msnbc) January 30, 2014
The second Twitter missive announced the offensive tweet had been deleted and included another apology.

Cereal apologizers: MSNBC sorry for offensive Tweet about biracial family | Fox News