This is so heartbreaking.
There were no slayings in China, Rivergallery. There was a horrible knife attack, but no one died. Thank goodness.
BBC News - China children 'hacked to death' in new school attack
Rereading it.. is this not from today? Maybe I misread it and this is an old report?
DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03
It is an old one, and you are right I found a newer article on the one today.. TY.. so very sad.. China has quite a few of these at schools since 2010 especially.. Poor little ones.
I wanted to post yesterday but it was so horrible that I just could not stop crying. I don't know what to say. I wish I could make it all better for all of those people.
This morning was the first time I could bring myself to read the actual news stories. I don't know how to deal with my feelings on it. I can't imagine any human being able to look at these sweet babies and kill them. Much less decide to do this, plan it, and search for them to kill.
I just keep thinking about all those christmas presents that those famliies bought for these 6 and 7 year olds. I cry every time I think of what they must feel seeing those presents under the tree, or stashed away that they bought, hoping to see smiles of joy and watch the kids open and play with them. What will they do with them? How could any human deal with that?
And please please please. PLEASE no one say that everything happens for a reason. There is NO reason that anyone should have to deal with any of this.
Two things I am grateful for.
That this man is dead. I can't imagine how we would be able to deal with him, or how drawn out it would all be. This was the best closure that could happen as far as he is concerned. I can't imagine what I would want to do with him, and I don't think any human could rationally decide what to do.
That his mother didn't live to see what he did. I'm NOT not not saying that she deserved it or anything remotely like that. It's horrible that he killed her, and I can't imagine knowing your child could kill you. But, I would sooner be dead than know my son was capable of anything like this.
This just makes me hurt.
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My facebook feed has been flooded with 'remember the victims, not the shooter' types of messages and pictures. The one that really gets to me is the grade one teacher who hid her kids and then lied about where they were. I dont know if its true or not, but I cant imagine the presents of mind that she had and the courage to stand up to the gunman. I am crying as I write this. She is a true hero, and the kind of teacher I want my kids to have. Not just because she took the bullets for them, but because she cared so absolutely much to take those bullets. And hers is only one of the stories coming out of this horrible event. This is absolutely a horrible thing that happened. I cant help but think of all the good those kids could have done in the world, how much they will be missed.
eta: I genrally dont believe in evil, but this was truly evil thing.
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Mom to Arianna (5), Conner (3) and Trent (my baby)
Like the people in that town, I am struggling to understeand why this happened. I can not understand how or if a person anywhere could not see anything troubling. I know someone was saying he had a form of Autism, but I do not know enough about Autism to know if that could have played a part in this.
I know that a few weeks ago I took my kids to a farm and my neice complained that the boy on the playground was being really mean and a little physical. I told her to just leave hom alone and stay away from him. He obviously did not hear me say this. I had to change the baby's diaper so I took her to the van, which was about 25 ft from the playground area. My sister in law watched the others while I was gone. So I was changing the baby and I turned around as I was feeling like someone was there. It was that boy. It startled me a little because I did not hear him come up, but I ignored him and continued with the baby. He just stood there empty like staring and it was very creepy. The suddenly he pushed the door shut as hard as he could on me and continued to press for a few seconds til I pushed it open. Then he left like nothing happened. I told my husband what happened and he told me that he knew thqt boy's father and he has Autism.
But I know other kids who have Autism and they were non emotional like but they were ust by themselves, never creating problems or anything aggressive. So that leads me to lean towards perhaps Autism and some other issue co-exists in the boy that pushed the door on me and this shooter. I do know I will never forget how the boy's face looked, a cold, blank, empty, non present stare combined with the way he appeared from no where.
Perhaps it is harder to see what exactly is also going on because of the Autism? But he apparently blended in well enough throughout his life that people did not feel he had deeeeep issues. Being quiet or a little reserved isnt something alarming if he seemed ok otherwise. He was also very smart and sometimes smart kids do not mix up well.
IDk for some reason I really want to know what went wrong. I guess because of my own insecurities and if it is something we could work on to prevent from happening again. i feel like figuring out what went wrong is the first step.
Friend of mine with an autistic son posted a link to this article - 'I am Adam Lanza's mother,' says mom of mentally ill son
The Autism spectrem in general is vast. But it encompasses abnormal social behaviors. The autistic children I worked with one was savant, two others couldn't speak, so yes one can be very intelligent.. but the do not understand normal social behaviors. IE if they like a child they may pull their hair, and not see it as bad. Their sense of right and wrong has to be explained thoroughly, and might be very difficult for them to comprehend. Also change is very difficult for them. They see the world as if something happened once one way it should always be that way. Often they are prone to tantrums when things change. They are often sound/photo or tactile sensitive, and can experience overload. The savant I worked with was highly intelligent and at 1st grade spoke 5 languages and could sight read the piano, and knew long division. What he couldn't do was put a story in order if he hadn't heard it. Make up an ending to a story. I had to teach him social skills, and how to interact with others just like I was teaching him reading.. it was a very interesting and rewarding experience. Sometimes the autistic child can appear normal.. it isn't like downs syndrome where their facial features are telling. And sometimes are on the spectrum in such a way that with parental and therapeutic help they can overcome and be successful members of society. Other times it doesn't matter how much therapy they receive they never "get it", and OFTEN they have addition mental issues. Hope this explains Autism a bit to you. Next time you are at the park it would be a wonderful thing for you to approach their parent and discuss how to help your daughter play with this boy. Having it well supervised, and separating the children when he steps out of line every single time, will cause him to see it as.. IF this happens .. this always happens, and he will stop doing the behaviors... and with both adults there it won't have a chance to HURT your daughter ... and might teach her empathy for differences
DH-Aug 30th 1997 Josiah - 6/3/02 Isaac 7/31/03
I was at a farm which had a playground area. At the playground area there was a trampoline, which the kids were jumping on. The boy was pushing kids around almost off the trampoline, despite their requests to stop pushing them around. That is why my niece came and complained. So, I asked her to avoid him. After watching him, I could tell there was something else going on why he was behaving that way. The boy was around 10 and wasn't behaving as a 10 year normally would. But, I left and went to the vehicle parking and he followed me, so very quietly. Then he proceeded to squish me with my van door. Knowing that he has something wrong, I didn't respond, except to push the door off of me. When I saw the way he was looking at me I knew he probably had Autism because he completely lacked depth and empathy. The same niece's brother has Autism so I do understand about Autism, but, the aggressive behavior is not something I've seen before. I am sure everyone is an individual with varying degrees of struggle, but I don't know how if aggression is common. I do know lack of empathy is common. So, I can see there could be some correlation, but on a clinical level I don't know. Now, my husband told me later that he indeed does have Autism, which explained inappropriateness. I am not going to try to get my niece to interact more with him, not because of Autism, but because of serious aggression and abusive behavior. She knows about Autism and her brother has Autism.
My point is that perhaps it is possible for Autism plus other, any other, mental illness to additionally co-exist. If a person has Schizophrenia along with Autism, it seems a really bad combination. While Schizophrenics aren't usually violent outright, it can be secondary to delusional persecutions, substance abuse, suicidal thoughts and acts, etc.
Basically Im only trying to figure out if perhaps he has other issues besides Autism which made for such a tragedy.