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Naked Prince Harry

They [photos leaked to the media] were embarrassing, silly, and raunchy. But were they a security breach?
A day after nude photographs of Prince Harry ricocheted across the Internet, security experts were wondering whether the Scotland Yard officers assigned to keep the 27-year-old royal safe from harm might have done a better job of keeping him out of trouble.

"The Yard is going to get some flack over this, and rightly so," said Ken Wharfe, a former bodyguard to Princess Diana and her sons William and Harry.
Security costs for the royal family aren't made public, but security experts estimate that British taxpayers spend between 30 million and 100 million pounds ($48 million and $159 million) a year keeping the royals safe.

Dai Davies
, a former head of the force's royal protection branch, said that at that price, the public had a right to expect Harry's bodyguards to keep a close eye on the prince -- and for the prince himself not to take any unnecessary risks.

"He's a single man (but) there has to be a degree of responsibility and caution," Davies said. "Surely we have to learn from history. The press love this."

As Davies suggested, the media has been responsible for a string of high-profile -- and occasionally troubling -- intrusions into royals' lives. Photographers' long lenses have repeatedly snapped embarrassing pictures of family members in various states of undress, while tabloid staffers infamously eavesdropped on mobile phone voicemail messages belonging to members of the royal household, touching off a scandal which is still reverberating in Britain and beyond.

One reporter from the Daily Mirror even managed to get hired as a palace staffer, filing dispatches about the queen's breakfasting habits and photos of the royal cornflakes. There have been more criminal intrusions too: In 1982, a burglar broke into Buckingham Palace and spent 10 minutes talking to the queen in her bedroom. He was arrested after she summoned a footman.

What precisely Harry did in Las Vegas last Friday still isn't clear. Celebrity gossip site TMZ, which published the nude pictures on Tuesday, said Harry was playing strip billiards with party-goers at the tail end of a wild Las Vegas visit which also reportedly involved a raucous swimming race with U.S. Olympian Ryan Lochte.

The blurry, low-resolution photos show Harry cavorting with an unidentified young woman and with his back turned or facing away from the camera, suggesting that the photos might have been taken surreptitiously, perhaps with a smartphone.

Wharfe wondered whether police should have screened Harry's guests, or perhaps asked them to check their phones at the door.

"If it were me, I'd say, 'Sir, I don't mind you having your fun but whoever comes in that door I need to know who it is, where they are from and if they have any mobile phones they have to leave them at the door,'" he said.

Scotland Yard
chief Bernard Hogan-Howe, speaking Wednesday, said royal bodyguards were there to protect Harry, not "to regulate his life."

Davies acknowledged that Harry may have put his protection officers in a difficult position by inviting guests back to his hotel room, but said everyone needed to be on the lookout for a threat.

"One has to be aware in the 21st century attacks can come from all quarters . and although someone looks attractive, doesn't mean they have the same intentions than you do," he said. "Certainly getting your pants down is not preparing yourself. Well, not for a threat anyways."

He said he didn't agree with Hogan-Howe's comments.

"The role of protection officer is to protect the principal," he said. "Protect the principal from himself, on occasion."

A single man having some fun in Vegas, or a security breach? Should his bodyguards face disciplinary measures?
Naked Prince Harry photos raise security concerns

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Thank you for a light hearted debate.

I think what the Prince does in his own hotel room is his own business. It was rotten of someone to photo him unaware.

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If those people Harry brought back to his room had cell phones, what else might they have brought? A gun? A Taser? Maybe some self-tan lotion for that pearly white behind of his? Blum 3 He has protection for a very good reason, and it seems they might not have done their job. Harry is probably not as much of a kidnap risk as others in the royal family, being third in line and getting bumped down farther when Wills & Kate get around to having a kid, and he's probably not much of a blackmail risk after these photos & the photos of him dressed as a Hitler-ite (I hate that you can't write **** here!) But I do think Mr. Davies was right about sometimes needing to protect the principal from himself. You should be able to ensure safety without restricting the party too much. If it turns out that they did screen everyone properly and Harry allowed the cell phones anyway, then I suppose it's fine.

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How much scrutiny does he have to endure?

He's what? 27, 28?

An adult by all standards. Also a man. In Vegas. In his hotel room. If there is anywhere one would have a reasonable expectation of privacy, it's there. He invited guests in and partied it up.

When does his life belong to him? Nobody did anything wrong in this situation. Screening his "dates" for cell phones? How about having them submit to a blood test for STD as well? I don't envy him....being referred to as the spare, living in his brother's shadow, losing his mother, not being able to trust anyone. I just feel like we owe it to him to leave him the F alone!

What was done shows a complete lack of class. But not on his part.

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I feel bad for him. He wants to be a normal young single guy but it's just not that way. I do think they should have collected cell phones and cameras at the door though.

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We discussed this at work today, the consensus was pretty muvh he is young, single and living it up, let him be. His security probably should have removed mobile phones because Harry just has a knack of getting himself photographed in situations that make him look less than stellar. He's 28 and just sowing those wild oats, it's not uncommon but because he's a royal people expect him to be above that.

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I would assume the security was supposed to have collected cells at the door, so if it turns out they didn't then there could/should be consequences.

As to Harry's behavior. Whatever.

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Will he ever stop needing to be saved from himself?

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How does he need to be saved from himself? He's a normal young man in a hard situation that was not of his doing (he was born a Prince, he didn't ask for it.) I think people should leave him alone. I also agree that it shows a total lack of class on the behalf of the person that took and made public the pictures, but not on him.

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what happens in Vegas is supposed to stay in Vegas! Shame on those people who took and shared those photos.

I feel bad for Harry. Though admit he has a mighty fine rear end!

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I love Harry Smile

He should be able to have fun like anyone else but it does make you wonder who the people were that he had surrounded himself with. I don't think his 'minders' should be dragged through the mud though! I'm sure security checks were done, but mobile phones were probably not considered harmless??

xx

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

How does he need to be saved from himself?

Let's see... in no particular order.... Caught smoking pot at age 17. Photos of him dressed as a ****. Photos of him kissing a woman who was not his girlfriend. Bashed a couple of photographers. And now nude photos. Not exactly the kinds of things the royal family wants to be known for, and all things that could easily have been avoided by someone with a bit more restraint or common sense. Or someone with people whose job it is to make sure those things don't happen, or at least don't get photographed.

And if this was 1992 or even 2002, I might agree that someone might think cell phone cameras are harmless, but this is 2012. Even my 5-year-old POS flip phone has a camera, and there are now all kinds of social media that allows those pics to be distributed almost immediately.

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"Spacers" wrote:

Let's see... in no particular order.... Caught smoking pot at age 17. Photos of him dressed as a ****. Photos of him kissing a woman who was not his girlfriend. Bashed a couple of photographers. And now nude photos.

Bashing the photographers is the only one that I would say that he was acting any differently than any other guy his age, and he wouldn't be bashing photographers if they would leave him alone! (not saying you should bash people who won't leave you alone, but I certainly get the temptation.) The rest of it (including dressing like a Na.zi for Halloween - people dress up as all sorts of "offensive" things for Halloween - ever seen a pregnant nun?) seems like typical slightly rebellious kid hijinks, and not something that people should get all worked up about. He didn't ask to be a member of the royal family. He didn't run for office, he wasn't elected, he doesn't owe anyone anything as far as I'm concerned. I just don't see how that equates to him needing to be "saved from himself." It's not like he's a heroin addict or something. LOL

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"Spacers" wrote:

Let's see... in no particular order.... Caught smoking pot at age 17. Photos of him dressed as a ****. Photos of him kissing a woman who was not his girlfriend. Bashed a couple of photographers. And now nude photos. Not exactly the kinds of things the royal family wants to be known for, and all things that could easily have been avoided by someone with a bit more restraint or common sense. Or someone with people whose job it is to make sure those things don't happen, or at least don't get photographed.

And if this was 1992 or even 2002, I might agree that someone might think cell phone cameras are harmless, but this is 2012. Even my 5-year-old POS flip phone has a camera, and there are now all kinds of social media that allows those pics to be distributed almost immediately.

He's about to turn 28. 28! Surely he is old enough to and should be allowed to make his own decisions. It's not like Prince Charles was the best of role models in regards to not bringing negative attention to the royal family. I just can't help but think if Princess Di were still alive she would be proud of the young man her son has become. Because there is no reason not to be proud of him as a person. The few examples of living his life don't define who is as a man. He served on the front lines in the Afghan War. His charitable/humanitarian work has been recognized internationally. Surely he's doing at least a few things right.