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    I guess its all a big conspiracy. Since WHO says the same thing.

    There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%. Three randomized controlled trials have shown that male circumcision provided by well trained health professionals in properly equipped settings is safe. WHO/UNAIDS recommendations emphasize that male circumcision should be considered an efficacious intervention for HIV prevention in countries and regions with heterosexual epidemics, high HIV and low male circumcision prevalence.

    Male circumcision provides only partial protection, and therefore should be only one element of a comprehensive HIV prevention package which includes: the provision of HIV testing and counseling services; treatment for sexually transmitted infections; the promotion of safer sex practices; the provision of male and female condoms and promotion of their correct and consistent use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    I'm glad they are finally admitting it should be a parent's choice. They aren't recommending routine, just that intactivists back off and insurance cover it.
    ME TOO. I think that's exactly what it should stay. Insurance covered, but totally a choice.

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    60%!!!?? wow that's HUGE! i didn't realize it was that big.
    I'm leaning toward having a condom surgically sewn on to my next son at birth, if i have one. Seems like the only way to guarantee they are smart... lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases can be prevented by using a condom and staying within a monogamous relationship with someone you know to be disease-free.
    The key word is "can"... Because they aren't, especially in the teen/young adult demographic.


    I'm glad to see recognition of the benefits and that they make mention of the proper use of analgesic.

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    To the "parents choice" people, how do you sync that with the fact that circ rates in this country DROPPED pretty dramatically (in some places from over 90% to less than 20%) when insurance stopped covering it? If people cared enough do it, wanted to make that choice for their sons, don't you think they would care enough to pay for it? I mean, what's $200 when it's your son's future health at issue?

    And yes, I would love for circumcision to be illegal. Every child has the right to bodily integrity, no matter his parents' income or religion or whatever. Cutting off his body parts should be *his* decision, no one else's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    To the "parents choice" people, how do you sync that with the fact that circ rates in this country DROPPED pretty dramatically (in some places from over 90% to less than 20%) when insurance stopped covering it? If people cared enough do it, wanted to make that choice for their sons, don't you think they would care enough to pay for it? I mean, what's $200 when it's your son's future health at issue?
    So if you care so much about getting birth control, why don't you pay for it instead of making it law that insurance companies and employers pay for it? Birth control is no more medically necessary than circumcision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    To the "parents choice" people, how do you sync that with the fact that circ rates in this country DROPPED pretty dramatically (in some places from over 90% to less than 20%) when insurance stopped covering it? If people cared enough do it, wanted to make that choice for their sons, don't you think they would care enough to pay for it? I mean, what's $200 when it's your son's future health at issue?

    And yes, I would love for circumcision to be illegal. Every child has the right to bodily integrity, no matter his parents' income or religion or whatever. Cutting off his body parts should be *his* decision, no one else's.
    I cared enough to pay for it. And I appreciate having that option. It would also be nice if it was covered, but I'm not going to complain.

    I think the decrease in rates also has to do with people having difficulty finding a doctor to do it, since the billing is different (at least in Canada). Around here there are a handful of docs who will do it for their own patients and one doc who takes referrals (and is super busy with circ appts).

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    We were prepared to pay for our son's, we were pleasantly surprised when they paid for it (even though they only paid for half) It was something that was very important to my husband. My pediatrician felt like it was important too (he only has 10% of patients that do circ) due to my family history of serious UTI and kidney infections. I think parents need to make choices for their children in cooperation with their doctors and other people need to stay out of it
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    I let my husband decide for my son. I supported that he had him circ'd. We would have paid, but didn't. As a medical procedure that could have benefits, I think it should be covered. I think there should be pamphlets of information and full disclosure made to the parent about the method, analgesic, benefits and risks, and then it should be the parent's choice.

    And yes, I would love for circumcision to be illegal. Every child has the right to bodily integrity, no matter his parents' income or religion or whatever. Cutting off his body parts should be *his* decision, no one else's.
    A couple things, I asked my husband what he thought of that when we had our son. He said he would definitely have wanted it, and was happy it was done when he couldn't remember it, and before he ended up high school where others saw. If it was his choice, I'm imagining that would be after 18, when he had the money, and that would have been later than he would have wanted it.

    The other, I'm curious what you think of ear piercing for infants...should that be illegal too? It seems to fall under the same category.
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    Circumcision is not required for Christians, though my opinion is that God originally put it in place for health reasons. I find it very interesting though that we have found out all this time later that there was a reason that God told them to circumcise on the eighth day. It doesn't make as big a difference now since babies get vitamin K shots.

    In Genesis 17:12, God was very specific in His command that Abraham circumcise newborn males on the eighth day. But why the eighth day? In 1935, professor H. Dam proposed the name “vitamin K” for the factor in foods that helped prevent hemorrhaging in baby chicks. We now realize that vitamin K is responsible for the production (by the liver) of the element known as prothrombin. If vitamin K is deficient, there will be a prothrombin deficiency and hemorrhaging may occur.

    Interestingly, it is only on the fifth through the seventh days of the newborn male’s life that vitamin K(produced by bacteria within the intestinal tract) is present in appropriate quantities. Vitamin K coupled with prothrombin—causes blood coagulation, which is important in any surgical procedure. Holt and McIntosh, in their classic work, Holt Pediatrics, observed that a newborn infant has
    ...peculiar susceptibility to bleeding between the second and fifth days of life.... Hemorrhages at this time, though often inconsequential, are sometimes extensive; they may produce serious damage to internal organs, especially to the brain, and cause death from shock and exsanguination (1953, pp. 125-126).

    Obviously, then, if vitamin K is not produced in sufficient quantities until days five through seven, it would be wise to postpone any surgery until some time after that. But why did God specify day eight?

    On the eighth day after birth, the amount of prothrombin present actually is elevated above 100 percent of normal, and is the only day in the male’s life in which this will be the case under normal con-ditions. If surgery is to be performed, day eight is the perfect day to do it. Vitamin K and prothrombin levels are at their peak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    The other, I'm curious what you think of ear piercing for infants...should that be illegal too? It seems to fall under the same category.
    Yep, ear piercing should also be illegal under the same bodily integrity argument. Until a child is old enough to understand the consequences (pain, risk of infection, etc.) and still want to do it, it's not OK.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    So if you care so much about getting birth control, why don't you pay for it instead of making it law that insurance companies and employers pay for it? Birth control is no more medically necessary than circumcision.
    The law says that insurers need to provide all women with free preventive care services, and birth control is a preventive medicine. And yes, for a very long time I paid for it out-of-pocket (or got it for free at Planned Parenthood) because I didn't have insurance or it wasn't covered by my crappy policy and I didn't want to risk an unintended pregnancy with less effective methods.

    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    We were prepared to pay for our son's, we were pleasantly surprised when they paid for it (even though they only paid for half) It was something that was very important to my husband. My pediatrician felt like it was important too (he only has 10% of patients that do circ) due to my family history of serious UTI and kidney infections. I think parents need to make choices for their children in cooperation with their doctors and other people need to stay out of it
    In your case, where the evidence of family history makes a good argument in favor of circumcision, then it would be a prudent medical procedure and, as such, should be covered by insurance. For most people, it's not and shouldn't be.
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