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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I know you Alissa, would mean it in a good spirit, but the idea that no where ever in any public place can you say the word Christmas, is what bothers me.
    I guess I just don't see this, which is what makes me wonder if it's regional. I don't think anyone I know actually feels that way or experiences that. Do you really see people reacting negatively?
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    I agree. Most of the people I know IRL are Christian/Jewish/Agnostic and no one has ever been offended by anything like that.

    We have plenty of Christmas stuff up here, Christmas music on local radio 24/7 etc.

    I do find it odd that in a very religious area you are encountering this.

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    I think what it is, is that some people have a tendency to get carried away with political correctness and don't even understand why they are changing the word. Lots of people are sensible about it. Some are not....its easy to focus on the ones who are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I think what it is, is that some people have a tendency to get carried away with political correctness and don't even understand why they are changing the word. Lots of people are sensible about it. Some are not....its easy to focus on the ones who are not.
    Also in my experience the most unreasonable people are also the loudest! Those of us who aren't outraged don't feel the need to shout or carry signs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am not sure how to explain it, but it does make me feel like I am not allowed to celebrate Christmas, and that if you do you are a bad person.

    ETA - It is like you are saying that Christmas is a curse word or that Christmas is a bad word like the N word.
    I think likening it the N word is a bit extreme.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I just don't understand where you are getting this from. Stores and places like that often use the word "Holidays" to try to appeal to as many people as possible (again, not because Christmas is a bad word, but because they want Christmas shoppers, and Chanukah shoppers, and Solstice shoppers, et cetera) but it's not like you are going to be arrested or even given the stink eye if you say "Merry Christmas" to someone or if you are overheard discussing your Christmas plans or whatever. I mean, something like 80% of Americans celebrate Christmas, so the odds are very good that the person that you said Merry Christmas to celebrates Christmas themselves. And if someone *does* give you crap for saying Merry Christmas, they are a jerk who needs to lighten up, so you should ignore them or giggle at them, whichever feels more appropriate at the time.

    Again, I truly believe that the whole "Happy Holidays" thing is in no way meant (by the vast majority of people) to put anyone down. It's just trying to include as many people as they can because there are other holidays celebrated by other people during that same time period. I don't see how that makes "Christmas" some sort of dirty word.
    Exactly. "Happy Holidays" includes more than just Chirstmas. I'm not wishing you a Merry Christmas, but rather New Year's, Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Festivus, AND Christmas.

    Not sure what another example is....
    Maybe with things like ladies and gentlemen. If I say, "Welcome, gentlemen, to our presentation," it leaves out all the women in attendance. If I say, "Welcome to our presentation" it isn't excluding men, it is including women.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Bonita~Do you mean public place like a school, town hall, fire station etc?
    Anywhere that says Holidays when Christmas would be aproprate. For example, Holiday Tree, Holiday Drama, or Holiday lights instead of Christmas Tree, Christmas Drama, or Christmas lights.
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    I agree. Most of the people I know IRL are Christian/Jewish/Agnostic and no one has ever been offended by anything like that.

    We have plenty of Christmas stuff up here, Christmas music on local radio 24/7 etc.

    I do find it odd that in a very religious area you are encountering this.
    I grew up in NY and most of my family is still there. Here, it is very normal to hear Merry Christmas and for things to have Christmas in them.

    I think there are many of you that when you say Happy Holiday's you are just trying to include everyone. There are others that mean it in a way that says "I can't stand Christians, and I hate them so much I am not even willing to say the word Christmas". It has become a derogatory term to many people. I personally know several people that will not shop at a store that's cashiers say "Happy Holiday's". In the town that I grew up there used to be a department store. That store changed its official policy that everyone had to say Happy Holiday's and were not allowed to say Merry Christmas. So many people stopped shopping there they had to go out of business within a year.

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    Yeah, I can't get behind not using the word "christmas" to describe things that occur in late December. I celebrate the Winter Solstice but have a christmas tree in my home. As far as greetings, I usually say, "Happy Holidays," because it feels more inclusive, which is what I am in my life, but I occasionally say, "Merry Christmas," especially when I know the person celebrates Christmas. And when people say, "Merry Christmas," to me, the only proper response IMHO is, "Thank you!" Now, if the situation seems appropriate, idle chatter with the grocery store checker or someone I know is Jewish & might not celebrate Christmas themself, I might also add a bit about celebrating the Winter Solstice as our holiday. It's a fascinating holiday with ancient roots that I love to share with others!

    And I have no problem with school kids learning about other cultures, and about their related religions in a cultural sense, but kids should not be learning about religion, any religion, at a public school. I had no problem when Tiven brought home a paper lantern and told me that she'd learned about Diwali, which she correctly told me is a Hindu festival of lights celebrated in India; now, if she'd come home and told me that she'd learned about Hinduism, I'd have been ticked. In December, the kids at our school learn about St. Nicholas Day, Hanukkah, Dong Zhi, Christmas, and Kwaanza as cultural celebrations, not as religious holidays, which some of them are. That's how it should be in a public school. Someone said "Charlie Brown's Christmas" should be optional. No, it shouldn't. Not at a public school. People who want to see something like that can do it on their own time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    In the town that I grew up there used to be a department store. That store changed its official policy that everyone had to say Happy Holiday's and were not allowed to say Merry Christmas. So many people stopped shopping there they had to go out of business within a year.
    Maybe they went out of business because of the recession, not because of their holiday message. Personally, I'd say that if two stores have signs out and one says Happy Holidays and one says Merry Christmas, I'm going to shop at the one that says Happy Holidays because they are making a point to include *me* in their holiday message, and because it doesn't exclude anyone, including Christians. Merry Christmas doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I have to admit i dislike the hubub people make over needing to change the word Christmas everywhere. Its one thing to not want to be part of a religion, its another to want to never see the word. I mean, thats where the stuff came from...Christmas celebrations, either religious our secular.

    I'm not going to boycott a store or anything that decides to change it to 'holiday' or take the word Christmas out of everything. It just makes me roll my eyes...internally.

    If a place really wants to change their use of the word to 'holiday' then i won't crusade against them...but i sure hope they are doing it because whatever they are referencing actually IS 'all holiday encompassing' and they aren't just changing it because they feel the word Christmas is taboo or politically incorrect.
    I agree with every word esp the bolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Anywhere that says Holidays when Christmas would be aproprate. For example, Holiday Tree, Holiday Drama, or Holiday lights instead of Christmas Tree, Christmas Drama, or Christmas lights.


    I grew up in NY and most of my family is still there. Here, it is very normal to hear Merry Christmas and for things to have Christmas in them.

    I think there are many of you that when you say Happy Holiday's you are just trying to include everyone. There are others that mean it in a way that says "I can't stand Christians, and I hate them so much I am not even willing to say the word Christmas". It has become a derogatory term to many people. I personally know several people that will not shop at a store that's cashiers say "Happy Holiday's". In the town that I grew up there used to be a department store. That store changed its official policy that everyone had to say Happy Holiday's and were not allowed to say Merry Christmas. So many people stopped shopping there they had to go out of business within a year.
    The bolded is not an example of people who are offended about Merry Christmas, but an example of people who are offended by Happy Holidays. And that is what I find perplexing and kind of sad to be honest - someone who finds it offensive that a store would want to include me (as well as them) in their holiday well wishing. Like they can't be happy unless a store is making sure to exclude all of us non-Christians. It's just so mean.

    I do agree that is silly to call a Christmas tree anything but a Christmas tree, or a play that is obviously about Christmas anything other than a Christmas play. Don't spit on me and tell me it's raining, amiright?
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