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Yes, I jaagree that is stupid Gloria. They are known as Christmas trees not Holiday Trees.
Bonita~I have to say I have never ever met anyone who used HH to spite Christians. Ever. I think either you are reading too much into how and why people are saying things or you encounter a lot of mean spirted people. Which again, I find out in the Bible Belt since everyone has previously stated that most people want Christian things in those areas..am I wrong?
Now that I have had a few hours to think about this let me see if I can do a better job of explaining things.
There are some people who say Happy Holiday's because they want to include others. I am sure that is how many of you mean it when you say it. There are other people however, that are on a crusade to remove anything Christmas from all public places. Going to court to remove any manger scene from any public place, telling people that any public place has to have a Holiday Tree, and fight to remove any mention of Christmas from anywhere but their own home. These people are not kind heartedly just trying to include everyone.
Words morph over time. Just like gay used to mean happy, and other words have come to mean different things over time. Saying Happy Holidays has morphed into a way of saying anti Christian. It may not be how everyone means it, but it is how a lot of the conservative Christians take it. I do know many people who would not shop at a place that said Happy Holidays. Here in the Bible belt that is not as much of an issue, as few businesses would try that as they know it would not go over well. Both my mom and MIL live in NY and do not shop at places that say Happy Holidays. (The store I referenced earlier closed down about 15 years ago, so not part of the recent recession)(I also wanted to add that yes I am from NY, but it is a more conservative town in NY)
I know what you mean Bonita; they aren't trying to be inclusive, they are trying to take away from.
I guess I just don't see why it is that important in what a store says in their greeting? If they were telling you to get the heck out of the store..that's a reason to leave. Because they say Happy Holidays to accommodate ALL of their customers vs. 1 group that's a bad thing to you?
I'm sure glad that my Christian side thinks it is better to include everyone instead of 1 group.
I understand what she's saying (I think). It's fine if they are doing it to be inclusive, but in some areas you just know they are saying Happy Holidays to avoid a lawsuit from the crazies ya'll were talking about earlier in the debate.
I think it's funny you tried to call me out on debating in an ugly manner.
I didn't call names and I wasn't referring to anyone here. Just those in the areas you live in apparently. That they won't shop somewhere that is trying to include all customers because they are not only acknowledging the holiday they personally celebrate.
I guess I just don't really understand why something as simply as a holiday greeting has to be so us vs them. If you think that people say Happy Holidays just to be spiteful to Christians, do you also think that people say Merry Christmas just to be spiteful to non-Christians?
Because maybe I'm naive about the whole politics of exclusion, but I don't assume that if someone says Merry Christmas to me, or if a store has a Merry Christmas sign in their window and not a Happy Holidays sign, that they are trying to spite me or exclude me. It's nice to be included, but I doesn't bother me when people or stores don't say "Happy Holidays" to include me because I've always felt that "Merry Christmas" was not meant to be hurtful or offensive, and also a sign in a store has to work pretty hard to ruin my day.
So for those of you who think that these holiday greetings have to be so us or them, are you actually using "Merry Christmas" to spite and exclude non-Christians? And if you're not, is it at all possible that the whole "not doing this to be a jerk" thing might be a two way street?
I am sure there are many people who do not mean the term Happy Holiday's to be spiteful. The term has taken on that meaning though. For example, we just had a debate about not using the R word. While many people that use the word do not use it to be spiteful to mentally challenged people, it is a hurtful term. So much has gone on in connection to Happy Holiday's that it no long means just a simple greeting. That term has championed the anti Christmas campaign.