Thread: No Lottery Tickets for Welfare Recipients

I am not being ugly. You did not use my words. You used your own interpretation of my words. I am not attacking you. I am not commenting on a balloon scenario. I am not sure what it has to do with anything. I quoted my quotes. I colored them different colors. I explained my quotes. I am really sorry somehow my explanations are not connecting with you. I know you're an intelligent person so there must be some other reason for the issue to be digging at you so much. I cannot help you or anyone further. I think it is time for a break before it goes too far. I am not a fighting person. So, with that, I would kindly like to decline to comment further on this.

In Canada every family, no matter their income or status, receives the UCCB (Universal Child Care Benefit) for each child until age 6. It is $100 per month per child. There is no rule, however, on how that benefit should be applied. Some lower income people and those on social assistance AND those families with higher income probably use it for dipes, clothing, or even non-essentials (like lottery tickets, beer, whatever, and some families who have a stay-at-home parent probably use that benefit for things other than child care, even though the benefit is designed to give families a break in their child care expenses. We choose to put that money into an account we opened for the kids and then decide what to do with it later, so we're not technically using it for their child care expense (currently $1310 per month). Am I defrauding the govt of the purpose of the benefit?

Your position isn't digging at me- I've read a thousand versions of it as we've had this debate no less than 50 times. I understand that you feel entitled to dictate exactly how people on assistance spend every dollar.

what is unacceptable is you deflecting my legitimate debate question with an attack on me. Glad you have decided to desist as it is against the debate board rules.

Originally Posted by ClairesMommy

In Canada every family, no matter their income or status, receives the UCCB (Universal Child Care Benefit) for each child until age 6. It is $100 per month per child. There is no rule, however, on how that benefit should be applied. Some lower income people and those on social assistance AND those families with higher income probably use it for dipes, clothing, or even non-essentials (like lottery tickets, beer, whatever, and some families who have a stay-at-home parent probably use that benefit for things other than child care, even though the benefit is designed to give families a break in their child care expenses. We choose to put that money into an account we opened for the kids and then decide what to do with it later, so we're not technically using it for their child care expense (currently $1310 per month). Am I defrauding the govt of the purpose of the benefit?

Well technically you are using it for their child care expense. You are spending your money to pay the child care and they are refunding you. Same difference.

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

Well technically you are using it for their child care expense. You are spending your money to pay the child care and they are refunding you. Same difference.

Yeah, but even families who don't have kids in child care get the benefit. Every family gets it, even if there's a parent staying at home (so no child care fees).

Originally Posted by ClairesMommy

Yeah, but even families who don't have kids in child care get the benefit. Every family gets it, even if there's a parent staying at home (so no child care fees).

Not sure what the purpose is of getting the benefit, except that the government likes the control.. in this situation.

Tax people more, then allocate to them how they can spend it and who can get it, and take a huge chunk of it to maybe or maybe not properly handle it.

I do think that all government assistance should be regulated, and used for the intended purpose period. I do not think it should be the job of the store owner. Any private monies those on assistance receive should be able to be used for whatever they want long as it is legal. There are things iE social security for those that paid into it, when they retire that I do not view as Government assistance. That is their money, and I do think they should have been allowed from the get go to invest it how they want, but that is a different matter. Social Security for Disability now is a bit more difficult, it is hard to get, and then it is regulated. I disagree how it is ran, not sure we can do anything about it. I do think it should be regulated if they go above the amount they have earned/put into the system. Trouble is there is a huge gap that people fall into that haven't worked long enough but their household earns just a few thousand too much to qualify them for benefits, and they are stuck paying huge med bills even with insurance... Sorry for the can of worms.

That 6 month period where everyone on the debate board was able to debate respectfully even when we disagree sure was nice. I miss those days.

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

That 6 month period where everyone on the debate board was able to debate respectfully even when we disagree sure was nice. I miss those days.

Yeah, it's funny now that Melissa is back that the board has been busier than ever. Must be because everone hates debating with her. Or maybe that should be....Everyone hates debating with her because she's smart and to-the-point. I have had many, many opposing opinions with her. The posts we disagree on are often more interesting than the posts we do agree on. That's what makes a debate interesting and embroiling. The respect factor is huge, but it works both ways.

There are a lot of debaters on this board that are smart and to the point without making it ugly. I don't think you have to have one for the other.

Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

That 6 month period where everyone on the debate board was able to debate respectfully even when we disagree sure was nice. I miss those days.

do you have a debate point or are you just breaking the rules too?