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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    You should be selling to someone who has a valid license.
    It is actually against the law in some states to ask this question if you are dealing with a private party sale
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    It is actually against the law in some states to ask this question if you are dealing with a private party sale
    This is crazy to me.

    So basically if someone wants to get a gun and knows they won't pass the background test, all they have to do is go through a private seller.

    Or have someone who would pass the background test buy it for them, and then give/sell it to them.

    I just don't see how that sounds like a great idea to anyone. Like why bother even having background tests at all at that point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    This is crazy to me.

    So basically if someone wants to get a gun and knows they won't pass the background test, all they have to do is go through a private seller.

    Or have someone who would pass the background test buy it for them, and then give/sell it to them.

    I just don't see how that sounds like a great idea to anyone. Like why bother even having background tests at all at that point?
    And how do you propose to stop it from happening? There are 300 million guns in this country. There is no chance that you would be able to enforce private individuals doing whatever they want with their guns. Many states don't even have registration, here in Texas you have to pass a background check to buy the gun but it is not registered anywhere. How are you going to even know if they buy or sell a gun from someone else when the gun isn't registered in the first place? How are you going to register the millions of guns that people already own? You could spend billions of dollars trying to enforce a law that would never even work, because there are still going to be people that will refuse to cooperate because they believe it is their right to own a gun and it is none of the governments business. You can dream all you want, but at some point you have to realize it will NEVER happen. They still can't even enforce the drug laws that have been on books for years, and you think somehow they will be able to just start enforcing private sales of guns that there are no records of? Didn't we learn anything from prohibition? It so strange that everyone wants to legalize marijuana because the laws against it don't keep people from buying it, and they want to turn around and make guns laws that they have no chance of enforcing.
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    Uh, that isn't why most people want to legalize marijuana. Most people want to legalize it because it doesn't cause harm and is a relaxing and enjoyable substance. It is way less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, which are legal. Different debate, but I don't know anyone who wants to legalize weed because it is impossible to police it.

    Anyway, you could use your same argument against speeding, or prostitution, or cocaine, or anything, Gloria. You just pick guns. Its illogical.

    Again, why do you think that other countries are so much better than America? Its so unpatriotic of you. Why do you think that other countries can regulate their guns and we can't? I guess I just have so much more faith in our country than you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Uh, that isn't why most people want to legalize marijuana. Most people want to legalize it because it doesn't cause harm and is a relaxing and enjoyable substance. It is way less harmful than alcohol or tobacco, which are legal. Different debate, but I don't know anyone who wants to legalize weed because it is impossible to police it.

    Anyway, you could use your same argument against speeding, or prostitution, or cocaine, or anything, Gloria. You just pick guns. Its illogical.

    Again, why do you think that other countries are so much better than America? Its so unpatriotic of you. Why do you think that other countries can regulate their guns and we can't? I guess I just have so much more faith in our country than you do.
    Agree. I don't buy the whole "Can't be enforced" argument. Again, you have to look at what the laws (any law!) exist for, and allow us to do. They may discourage the person from committing the crime, and if they don't, they allow us to prosecute those that commit the crime that get caught. I would have ZERO sympathy for gun owners who buy their guns through private sales and don't register the sale and then get caught because "they feel it's their right." Throw the book at 'em if you catch 'em. I'm fine with that.

    I don't have a ton of time for Google Fu today, but I bet there was a time in our history when private car sales didn't have to be registered. But then we made laws around it, and now they do, and there are likely as many cars in the US as guns, the majority of them registered. I'm sure it wouldn't happen over night that everyone rushes out to register their guns, but little by little I think it would happen.

    First, I think it would happen as gun owners decide that heavy fines and jail time aren't worth hiding a gun that they have no reason to hide (because hey, the majority of these guys are Responsible Gun Owners, right?)

    Second, I think it would happen because you would HAVE to register any gun that you buy through a gun dealer (those guys aren't going to risk losing their business license by not registering sales if that's the law; nor should they be expected to)
    What this means is, if you bought a gun through a gun dealer, it will be registered to you, so you wouldn't want a gun that is still registered to you to be implicated in a crime if you turn around and sell it, right? Like how when you currently sell your car, you don't want it to stay registered to you because then you're screwed if the next owner gets in an accident. So I would foresee that if everyone HAD to register any guns they bought at dealers, they would have an interest in registering any guns they sold, so potential crimes committed with those guns wouldn't be linked back to them.

    Do you register your cars? Is that some sort of slap in the face to liberty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Again, why do you think that other countries are so much better than America? Its so unpatriotic of you. Why do you think that other countries can regulate their guns and we can't? I guess I just have so much more faith in our country than you do.
    Other countries have never had the freedom that we have. I don't think it is unpatriotic to value freedom. I think it is unpatriotic to punish responsible gun owners that have never done anything wrong. The United Kindom has about 4 million guns. We have 300 million guns. It's not hard to figure out why it is different. And again the problems we have with gun crime are in the inner ciities, with gangs and drugs. Other countries don't have as many of those areas as we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    First, I think it would happen as gun owners decide that heavy fines and jail time aren't worth hiding a gun that they have no reason to hide (because hey, the majority of these guys are Responsible Gun Owners, right?)
    You are assuming that these new laws would pass, which they won't, and then that they would be enforced, when they don't even enforce the gun laws we have now. In fact there are many law enforcement saying they would refuse to enforce these laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Do you register your cars? Is that some sort of slap in the face to liberty?
    You don't have to register your car. You will just get a ticket if they catch you driving it on the street without registering it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    You don't have to register your car. You will just get a ticket if they catch you driving it on the street without registering it.
    It's still the law. You may not get caught for it, but it's still the law (that's why they are able to give you a ticket.) And I would guess most people follow it. Maybe I run in the wrong circles but I've never met anyone who didn't register their car.

    I'd support them making much heavier fines for not registering guns than not registering cars.

    Pretty sad when cops refuse to uphold the laws. I would hope that cops that don't enforce the laws don't stay cops for very long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    It's still the law. You may not get caught for it, but it's still the law (that's why they are able to give you a ticket.) And I would guess most people follow it. Maybe I run in the wrong circles but I've never met anyone who didn't register their car.
    There is no law that I know of that you have to register a car if it stays in your driveway.
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