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    What I found interesting in the article was something like 1300 refused but only 8 were fired.

    I think requiring the flu shot is reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    What I found interesting in the article was something like 1300 refused but only 8 were fired.

    I think requiring the flu shot is reasonable.
    My thought would be that the 8 were the only ones with direct at-risk-patient contact? But it doesn't say for sure. I would be interested to know that reason too...
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    Even if she got the shot though she could still have the germs on her while dealing with patients.

    Maybe I am so against this because I would refuse the shot too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    What I found interesting in the article was something like 1300 refused but only 8 were fired.

    I think requiring the flu shot is reasonable.
    Yeah I wonder why these 8 were singled out.

    I would love to see documented cases of healthcare workers spreading the flu to patients. I would bet that the instance is rare, especially if the nurse is utilizing proper standard precautions for all patients.

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    A nurse who refuses a flu shot probably does not have the scientific knowledge to be a nurse. Right move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blather View Post
    A nurse who refuses a flu shot probably does not have the scientific knowledge to be a nurse. Right move.
    Why would you think this? Both my mother and MIL are nurses and have been nurses for many, many years. They have their flu shot because it is required, but I am quite certain MIL would not if she did not have to. She is an excellent nurse with over 30 years of experience. She does get the shot though because it is a requirement of her job.

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    Well...some nurses smoke right? And use tanning booths? I guess it's kind of the same mentality in that nurses sometimes don't make the healthiest choice. But when it comes down to affecting others is where it's the problem.

    Even nursing students that have clinicals have to provide proof they are up to date on their immunizations. Why should the flu shot be in a different category?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokr View Post



    Why would you think this? Both my mother and MIL are nurses and have been nurses for many, many years. They have their flu shot because it is required, but I am quite certain MIL would not if she did not have to. She is an excellent nurse with over 30 years of experience. She does get the shot though because it is a requirement of her job.
    I don't understand why she wouldn't receive a flu shot if not required? It doesn't hurt her and it protects her from patients that may spread the flu on to her....

    I am in the medical field and I have had patients literally cough in my face from a few inches away. You're damn right I'm getting a flue shot, along with my other immunizations.
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    I don't understand why she wouldn't receive a flu shot if not required? It doesn't hurt her and it protects her from patients that may spread the flu on to her....
    I can not speak for her, I really am not sure. I do know a great many people who are not a fan of the flu vaccine. My girls are up to date on all of their required shots, however the flu vaccine is not considered a required vaccine (Obviously hospitals and other nursing facilities would have their own regulations).

    On an unrelated side topic, one of my very first debates on the debate boards was a vaccination debate. It was a very lively debate.

    ETA - There was something wrong with the quote, I am not the one I was trying to quote.

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    Interesting> just found this


    EVDN: Nurses Union Against Mandated Masks for Nurses Refusing Flu Shots


    As the state prepares for the upcoming influenza season, the Massachusetts
    Nurses Association (MNA), the state's largest union of registered nurses and
    health professionals, strongly opposes a new policy being implemented by a
    number of hospital and health care employers calling for mandatory masking of
    healthcare workers as a component of a flu prevention program, and threatens to
    fire nurses who don't wear the mask throughout the hospital all day. "Rather
    than focus on systems and policies that actually prevent flu transmission, many
    institutions are now focused on setting a misguided and ineffective policy which
    mandates that healthy healthcare workers wear a mask for eight to twelve hours
    while on duty if unvaccinated,
    " according to a position statement approved today
    by the MNA/NNU Board of Directors. "We encourage nurses to become educated on
    the risks and benefits of the influenza vaccine and decide whether to vaccinate,
    but there is no medical evidence that the masking of nurses or healthy workers
    prevents the transmission of influenza."

    "No one cares more about protecting
    the public health than nurses as we are on the frontlines in protecting our
    patients from all types of illnesses, including the flu, every day," said
    MNA/NNU president Donna Kelly-Williams, RN. "But we cannot and will not support
    useless policies, especially policies that are only designed to coerce nurses
    into doing something against their better judgment and policies that may cause
    them personal harm, with absolutely no benefit for any patients." "The medical
    evidence shows that surgical masks are designed to prevent dispersion and are
    not designed to prevent inhalation of airborne particles containing virus,

    therefore masks would be more effective if placed on people who are coughing or
    sneezing, whether patients or workers," says Margaret O'Connor, an occupational
    health and safety specialist with the MNA/NNU. "Masking an asymptomatic nurse is
    neither preventive in the spread of infection nor appropriate." O'Connor added,
    "Under hospital masking policies, patients, visitors and vendors, who are more
    likely to be vectors of illnesses, are free to walk around facilities unmasked
    while nurses and others are forced to wear masks, with no benefit to the patient
    population."
    The MNA/NNU position is strongly supported by a nationally
    recognized expert on the issue. "Mandatory masking in lieu of vaccination of
    healthcare workers as is being implemented in Massachusetts makes no sense and
    will do little to stop the spread of infection," said William Buchta , MD, MPH,
    who is a Fellow with the American College of Occupational and Environmental
    Medicine, and a medical director of employee occupational health Service at Mayo
    Clinic, and who was in Massachusetts two weeks ago to speak about flu prevention
    and vaccination programs. "There are a number of proven means of reducing
    hospital infections that need to be implemented, but this is not one of them."

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