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    I am not a fan of the flu shot. I don't get it for myself or my kids. In my personal anecdotal non-scientific experience, I know a lot of people who get the shot and a lot who don't, and there is NO correlation there in terms of who gets the flu and who doesn't.

    That said, a nurse working in critical care has an increased obligation to protect patients, and if she refuses it during the height of flu season, she should temporarily take on administrative duties instead of patient care.

    I don't think firing her is the answer, though.

    I don't get the flu shot but if that were my job and it was requested, I would get it.
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    I thought about this some more last night. While I'll always support making health decisions based on our belief systems and our health I don't support what this nurse is doing. Just as I don't support a pharmacist not dispensing certain legal medications because it is against their belief system I think a nurse (and doctors) and anyone front line with sick people has the duty to take as many precautions as possible to halt the spread of disease. While the flu shot isn't going to stop all flu strains if it stops 2 that is 2 that do not get spread in the hospital.

    I still think there should be a better resolution than firing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    What happened to body autonomy? Why should she be forced to put something in her body that she was comfortable with? I am sure as a veteran nurse she was knowledgeable on how to not spread her germs.

    That being said I think employers have the right to fire whomever they would like, I just disagree with firing an employee over something like this when all other indicators show her to be a great employee
    Except a couple of years ago a nurse at my husband's hospital infected many people with the swine flu and did not call in sick the whole time he was sick til it was very late. He got so sick he died. How many patients did he infect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cristancanoe View Post
    Yeah I wonder why these 8 were singled out.

    I would love to see documented cases of healthcare workers spreading the flu to patients. I would bet that the instance is rare, especially if the nurse is utilizing proper standard precautions for all patients.
    When I was in Labor and Delivery with my 32 weeks along pregnancy, my nurse had the flu and could hardly focus on her work. She was slow in responding when I would tell her my contractions were hard and her nose was running everywhere. She was coughing. But I was in no position to do anything. i ended up delivering and coming down with the flu with a preemie. I was so angry. A lot of. Nurses and doctors do not take necessary precautions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    Nurses and doctors do not take necessary precautions.

    I agree with this (and work in healthcare). Some take all the precautions all the time, some take the precautions some of the time and some only do it if asked. Even basic handwashing is neglected by many never mond the 30 second scrub you are supposed to do. The amount of effort hospitals spend on campaigns to have proper handwashing and other common sense actions is disturbing. They have to though because some people don't think the rules should apply to them or they think the rules are stupid. This is all for people who SHOULD know better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danifo View Post
    I agree with this (and work in healthcare). Some take all the precautions all the time, some take the precautions some of the time and some only do it if asked. Even basic handwashing is neglected by many never mond the 30 second scrub you are supposed to do. The amount of effort hospitals spend on campaigns to have proper handwashing and other common sense actions is disturbing. They have to though because some people don't think the rules should apply to them or they think the rules are stupid. This is all for people who SHOULD know better.
    I think these are people that should be fired.
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    I used to work with someone who would go to the bathroom, not wash her hands, and if someone was standing outside the bathroom door she would shake her hands like she was drying them. No water ever ran and we worked at a docs office and she was an RN.

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    I've worked in two nursing homes and we had to get the flu shot in the business office. When I asked why, I was told as the receptionist, I handed out their spending money on "payday" and they couldn't take a chance. I can't imagine a nurse/nurses aid who touches patients all of the time thinking it's OK to not get them. I had the flu this year and would hate to think what it would have been like if I hadn't had the shot and with a little one and a sick FIL I would have never forgiven myself if I hadn't taken the safest route I could for them and they were harmed by my decision. I just can't fathom not caring about the patients you could infect enough to either quit or get the shot (because I don't know anybody who actually has a religious reason; EVERYONE I've met IRL or online doesn't mind lying to get the exemption they want).
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    Hahahaa. I'm the "uneducated" loser in the thread who totally thinks that flu shots are stupid. I feel sorry for the nurse. I'm sure she got hired somewhere else! I respect the right of her employer to fire her, and I respect her right to have personal principals!

    I don't get one. I remember totally being like, SHAMED into one by one of my healthcare providers during the swineflu scam when I was pregnant ~ basically told that I was doing to kill my baby..........yeah. No. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    When I was in Labor and Delivery with my 32 weeks along pregnancy, my nurse had the flu and could hardly focus on her work. She was slow in responding when I would tell her my contractions were hard and her nose was running everywhere. She was coughing. But I was in no position to do anything. i ended up delivering and coming down with the flu with a preemie. I was so angry. A lot of. Nurses and doctors do not take necessary precautions.
    Quote Originally Posted by myyams View Post
    Except a couple of years ago a nurse at my husband's hospital infected many people with the swine flu and did not call in sick the whole time he was sick til it was very late. He got so sick he died. How many patients did he infect?

    BUT, did these 2 nurses get the flu shot?

    I see these nurses both as folks who should not be working while ill which is not the issue we are debating.

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