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    Is Obama just a moderate Republican?

    Obama the moderate Republican: What the 2012 election should teach the GOP. - Slate Magazine


    Dear Republicans,

    Sorry about the election. I know how much it hurts when your presidential candidate loses. I?ve been there many times. You?re crestfallen. You can?t believe the public voted for that idiot. You fear for your country.

    Cheer up. The guy we just re-elected is a moderate Republican.

    I know how stupid that sounds. Barack Obama is the head of the Democratic Party. For five years, conservative politicians and media told you he was a raving socialist. In the heat of the campaign, when you?re trying to beat the guy, it?s hard to let go of that image of him, just as it?s hard for Democrats to see past the caricatures of Mitt Romney. But now that the campaign is over and you?re staring at a second Obama term, the falsity of the propaganda may come as a relief. By and large, Obama?s instincts are the instincts of a moderate Republican. His policies are the policies of a moderate Republican. He stands where the GOP used to stand and will someday stand again.

    Yes, Obama began his presidency with bailouts, stimulus, and borrowing. You know who started the bailouts? George W. Bush. Bush knew that under these exceptionally dire circumstances, bailouts had to be done. Stimulus had to be done, too, since the economy had frozen up. A third of the stimulus was tax cuts. Once the economy began to revive, Obama offered a $4-trillion debt reduction framework that would have cut $3 to $6 of spending for every $1 in tax hikes. That?s a higher ratio of cuts to hikes than Republican voters, in a Gallup poll, said they preferred. It?s way more conservative than the ratio George H. W. Bush accepted in 1990. In last year?s debt-ceiling talks, Obama offered cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid in exchange for revenue that didn?t even come from higher tax rates. Now he?s proposing to lower corporate tax rates, and Republicans are whining that he hacked $716 billion out of Medicare. Some socialist.

    Yes, Obama imposed an individual mandate to buy health insurance. You know who else did that? Romney. You know where the idea came from? The Heritage Foundation. Personal responsibility?insisting that people carry private insurance so we don?t have to bail them out in emergency rooms and hospitals?was a Republican idea. Same with Wall Street reform: There?s nothing conservative about letting financial institutions gamble with other people?s money in ways that would force us to bail them out again. Even Obama?s cap-and-trade proposal echoed the market-based emissions-control policies of the 1990 Bush administration and the 2008 McCain campaign. And last year, when the EPA proposed a new air-pollution limit, Obama ticked off environmentalists by killing it on the grounds that it might jeopardize the recovery.

    Remember how Democrats ridiculed George W. Bush?s troop surge in Iraq? Obama copied it in Afghanistan. He escalated the drone program, killing off al-Qaida?s leaders. He sent SEAL Team 6 into Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden. He teamed up with NATO to take down Muammar Qaddafi. He reneged on his pledge to close Guantanamo Bay. He put together a globally enforced regime of sanctions that is bringing Iran?s economy to its knees. That?s why Romney had nothing to say in last month?s foreign policy debate. No sensible Republican president would have done things differently.

    Obama?s no right-winger. You might have serious issues with his Supreme Court justices or his moves on immigration or the Bush tax cuts. But you probably would have had similar issues with Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, or Gerald Ford. Obama?s in the same mold as those guys. So don?t despair. Your country didn?t vote for a socialist tonight. It voted for the candidate of traditional Republican moderation. What should gall you, haunt you, and goad you to think about the future of your party is that that candidate wasn?t yours.
    I think there are a lot of good points here. Almost every Republican I know without a Christian agenda voted for Obama this week or 4 years ago (or both). It was funny watching Romney supporters attack "Obamacare" during the election since it was really Romneycare.

    This is also why, as much as I respect President Obama and am glad he won, I would have cast a ballot for Jill Stein if I had been able to vote on Tuesday. He is a fiscal conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blather View Post
    Is Obama just a moderate Republican?

    Obama the moderate Republican: What the 2012 election should teach the GOP. - Slate Magazine



    I think there are a lot of good points here. Almost every Republican I know without a Christian agenda voted for Obama this week or 4 years ago (or both). It was funny watching Romney supporters attack "Obamacare" during the election since it was really Romneycare.

    This is also why, as much as I respect President Obama and am glad he won, I would have cast a ballot for Jill Stein if I had been able to vote on Tuesday. He is a fiscal conservative.
    I read this yesterday, almost considered posting it here, but i wasn't sure what the debate would be.

    What it does make me want to do is understand more what sways people to view someone as a democrat or a republican. And understand what lies under our biases towards one candidate or another. This tells me that its all mucked up and more likely to be based on some sort of societal impressions of the person as oppose to what their actual beliefs and actions are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I read this yesterday, almost considered posting it here, but i wasn't sure what the debate would be.

    What it does make me want to do is understand more what sways people to view someone as a democrat or a republican. And understand what lies under our biases towards one candidate or another. This tells me that its all mucked up and more likely to be based on some sort of societal impressions of the person as oppose to what their actual beliefs and actions are.
    This is what I've felt for years. I don't care much about which party line a candidate claims. I listen to what they say and do, then decide who I want to vote for. Honestly, I can't really see much need for a party to identify itself.
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    Taking a couple moderate things that a Republican has done (which MOST conservatives didn't agree with even then) and the fact that Obama managed to do the right thing on a couple of things does not even close to make him a moderate Republican. Any conservative would say that Bush was way too moderate on many things, but Obama isn't even in the same realm.

    ETA: By the way that is why the Tea Party started because the Republican party is getting too moderate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Taking a couple moderate things that a Republican has done (which MOST conservatives didn't agree with even then) and the fact that Obama managed to do the right thing on a couple of things does not even close to make him a moderate Republican. Any conservative would say that Bush was way too moderate on many things, but Obama isn't even in the same realm.

    ETA: By the way that is why the Tea Party started because the Republican party is getting too moderate.
    What you are saying here is that he is not to the extreme right. You know there is more the republican party than the extreme right don't you?

    The point really is Obama is not to the extreme left as many have tried to make him out to be, or many people simply believe for some unknown reason. I don't know, maybe because of hype.

    I have heard so many of my conservative friends and family call him thins like 'extreme left', radical, socialist.

    Obama isn't any of those things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I have heard so many of my conservative friends and family call him thins like 'extreme left', radical, socialist.
    Obama might not be extreme left, but he is not Republican.

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    I promised myself I wasn't going to debate politics again so soon....*bites fist*

    All I want to do is chime in and agree that Obama is not a far left politician. I'm sure he's not as far to the right as many Repblicans would prefer, but he's no extremist or radical.

    I read an article recently that said basically the Republican/Tea Party has been shifting further and further to the right, and in turn that has been dragging the entire country to the right for several years now, so that what used to be considered the center is now considered liberal. But the liberals haven't changed a ton, so for them, the new center is way too conservative because it is quite a bit further to the right than it was before.

    Interesting stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Obama might not be extreme left, but he is not Republican.
    I think the article was slightly tongue in cheek.

    Main points
    A)Obama is not extreme left or radical
    B)Obama has made decisions in line with what Republicans once seemed to think were good decisions and are now being painted by many as a hardcore left-ist agenda.

    I actually think its great stuff to point out and to write about. So many people have just been brainwashed to be scared of him for being a crazy liberal without even knowing why they think so. Its just a reality check.
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    I just want to say that I've thought this for years. I can't imagine that we will EVER have a candidate that is as far left as me.
    I liked the article and I have to say I agree with it. It's kind of a kick in the teeth the day after the election though...

    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    ETA: By the way that is why the Tea Party started because the Republican party is getting too moderate.
    Didn't they say the tea party died with scott brown being elected out??

    Doesn't what you said just support the point of the article? That you feel the republicans aren't right enough, so there is a new party? So it kind of follows he fits into that party...

    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I promised myself I wasn't going to debate politics again so soon....*bites fist*

    All I want to do is chime in and agree that Obama is not a far left politician. I'm sure he's not as far to the right as many Repblicans would prefer, but he's no extremist or radical.

    I read an article recently that said basically the Republican/Tea Party has been shifting further and further to the right, and in turn that has been dragging the entire country to the right for several years now, so that what used to be considered the center is now considered liberal. But the liberals haven't changed a ton, so for them, the new center is way too conservative because it is quite a bit further to the right than it was before.

    Interesting stuff.
    That is really interesting. If you have it anywhere Alissa, I would love to read it.
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