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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    How do you know they were happy. I highly doubt many people would go for a screening mammogram if it cost them $. Preventive care being free saves us all money eventually. We can catch things early (cheaper) then later (more expensive)
    I would gladly pay for my own mammogram instead of having the cost of my coverage triple EVERY MONTH. I know they were happy because they are all screaming about it. You can't miss the stories they are all over the news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I would gladly pay for my own mammogram instead of having the cost of my coverage triple EVERY MONTH. I know they were happy because they are all screaming about it. You can't miss the stories they are all over the news.
    Her point is they choose to not get a mammogram at all instead. Which ends up costing the nation as a whole a lot more in health care costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Her point is they choose to not get a mammogram at all instead. Which ends up costing the nation as a whole a lot more in health care costs.
    They still may choose not to get a mammogram. Just because it is free doesn't mean you will go get it done. It is free on my policy and I haven't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    They still may choose not to get a mammogram. Just because it is free doesn't mean you will go get it done. It is free on my policy and I haven't.
    It means you are more likely to get it done.

    Would you like to take any bets that MORE people will get a free routine mammogram than they would if it cost them money out of pocket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    It means you are more likely to get it done.

    Would you like to take any bets that MORE people will get a free routine mammogram than they would if it cost them money out of pocket?
    That's not the point. It's not the government's business to FORCE me to pay triple the cost of insurance so I can get a free mammogram. I should be able to choose the coverage I want not have it forced down my throat. I'm pretty sure the men that are now forced to pay for coverage for free mammograms still aren't going to get one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Can you be more specific about what "all the headaches" specifically are. What does that mean exactly. I'm looking for the specifics.

    *Many of the plans DH's employer (The state of GA - State Health Benefit plan) did not meet the qualifications. In stead of offering just the plans that did qualify they did away with all of them. Instead there are just three plans to choose from. I posted them earlier in the debate*


    DH's company decided to stop offering a plan too. Instead they are offering a stipend. They did the research work and determined that by offering a stipend and having their employees use the exchange to get their insurance, it actually becomes cheaper for both the company AND the employees.



    What is it that they are offering in its place exactly? To me, this sounds like a company decision and possibly a poorly managed one. I don't think you can specifically blame it on the ACA unelss you can actuall provide the specifics on your DH's company's decisions.



    Well thats a loaded statement. Your second half of that bolded statement is so generic. How about we talk about actual specifics of healthcare and see how much this "not so wonderful plan" would actually do for them...if they got say..into a serious injury, or came down with a serious disease, or how much preventative care is offered ot lower the overall healthcare costs of our nation. Its hard to take it seriously when the sentence is started with "its not the most wonderful plan"


    *That does not change the fact that what President Obama said was not true and that he deliberately misled the American people. *

    Well you can get hung up on the specific of his words. But i'd question how much you actually disagree with the concept of essential coverage requirements. Is it that you do not agree with that as a concept? Should we have allowed people to keep plans that won't actually provide coverage at the times where it is highly expensive and badly needed? Or help in covering things that lower the costs of healtcare as a nation (preventative)? Or are we just going to sit here and whine about how it wasn't worded correctly...even if you do agree with the actual concept.
    More above. I do not disagree with healthcare reform. I just think it was very poorly done. I think only COMPLETELY new plans should have to follow new regulations. Plans with minor changes still should have been allowed. It was a dirty under the table trick. I also think President Obama should apologise for saying over and over again what he knew to not be true.
    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Her point is they choose to not get a mammogram at all instead. Which ends up costing the nation as a whole a lot more in health care costs.
    Who's point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    It means you are more likely to get it done.

    Would you like to take any bets that MORE people will get a free routine mammogram than they would if it cost them money out of pocket?
    Mammograms are already free under many plans. They would be free under my plan now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That's not the point. It's not the government's business to FORCE me to pay triple the cost of insurance so I can get a free mammogram. I should be able to choose the coverage I want not have it forced down my throat. I'm pretty sure the men that are now forced to pay for coverage for free mammograms still aren't going to get one.
    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Ya I guess you are between a rock and a hard place not much you can do. The scary thing is this hasn't even hit the rest of us that have insurance through our employers because Obama gave them a year's delay. We are probably going to be in the same boat this time next year when we find out how much our insurance is going to go up trying to figure out how we are going to be able to pay for it. Not only that but if they decide our plans cover more than what they deem necessary we will also have to pay taxes on it.
    I have just been watching this debate as I know very little about your new medical system (or the old one), but I just wanted to point out that it is very hard to take your 'OMG it is going to be so expensive' argument seriously, when you dont even know if yours is going up. I wonder how many people who are screaming about rising costs still dont know what their actual cost will be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    I have just been watching this debate as I know very little about your new medical system (or the old one), but I just wanted to point out that it is very hard to take your 'OMG it is going to be so expensive' argument seriously, when you dont even know if yours is going up. I wonder how many people who are screaming about rising costs still dont know what their actual cost will be.
    I do know how much next years insurance is going to be. And yes, I am very upset about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That's not the point. It's not the government's business to FORCE me to pay triple the cost of insurance so I can get a free mammogram. I should be able to choose the coverage I want not have it forced down my throat. I'm pretty sure the men that are now forced to pay for coverage for free mammograms still aren't going to get one.
    If thats not the point, then why did you just argue with me for two or three posts about if they would be more likely to get one or not.

    Look, if you think there should be no regulations around what should constitute 'health insurance coverage'
    if you are okay with the uneducated and the poor being tricked into buying plans that will do nothing for them if they get sick
    If you are okay with our country's healthcare costs rising because preventative medicine is too expensive and too easy to NOT choose to do if it costs you money
    If you are okay with people continuing to wait until they are sick to try to get real healthcare coverage...only to be turned away because health insurance companies can't afford to cover those that are too sick (since not enough healthy people pay in)

    then by all means, stick to the status quo today where things already don't work. But say it loud and proud that you are okay with keeping things that way, especially since when push comes to shove in the past, you have admitted to not knowing of a way to fix it otherwise.

    But me...i simply disagree with you. I'm tired of the way things are. I'd gladly give up my right to choose a ****ty plan or no plan at all then watch things continue on the way they are. While i have been fortuante enough to not encounter serious problems with the way things have been up until now, there are too many people that need things to change. Too many for me to dig my heals in and pout about having to change in the attempt to fix fix some REAL and SERIOUS problems with our existing system.
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