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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    By helping the people that need help. Not hurting the people that were doing fine before.
    Bonita, I strongly suggest that you read this article below.
    Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries | PBS NewsHour

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    So is there anyone on this board that thinks Obamacare is wonderful? Came directly as advertised? That it has no problems at all? If you say yes, I simply will not believe you.

    Yes, reform was needed. But this just is not it. Obamacare is not going to make our cost comparable to those other countries. Many doctors and hospitals are not participating so care options are declining. Costs are going up for many people. Yes, it will help the currently uninsured, but at the expense of everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    So is there anyone on this board that thinks Obamacare is wonderful? Came directly as advertised? That it has no problems at all? If you say yes, I simply will not believe you.
    I think its way too early to tell if what obamacare will provide will be better than what we had previously. But i DO think its geared towards fixing some very serious problems, ones that i thinka re important to address. Things that i am NOT okay with leaving the way they are. I think we have to stop being so afraid of change. Change isn't always pleasant...heck people get their panties in a wad when FB moves their timeline around, so of course people are going to flip out about what they see as undesirable effects.

    Are you going to try to tell me there is a solution out there that would have created a seemless change over ot something new with NO ill effects of ANY sort??? If you are going to say yes, well then i don't believe you.

    Yes, reform was needed. But this just is not it.
    Yet you can't give an alternative solution. Last time you tried, the conversation went no where. I think you told me i had to look it up myself.

    ETA: also i'm done with this for now. "I don't like whats happening" isn't really a debate argument. I don't see this going anywhere useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    That's not the point. It's not the government's business to FORCE me to pay triple the cost of insurance so I can get a free mammogram. I should be able to choose the coverage I want not have it forced down my throat. I'm pretty sure the men that are now forced to pay for coverage for free mammograms still aren't going to get one.
    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Ya I guess you are between a rock and a hard place not much you can do. The scary thing is this hasn't even hit the rest of us that have insurance through our employers because Obama gave them a year's delay. We are probably going to be in the same boat this time next year when we find out how much our insurance is going to go up trying to figure out how we are going to be able to pay for it. Not only that but if they decide our plans cover more than what they deem necessary we will also have to pay taxes on it.
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    I do know how much next years insurance is going to be. And yes, I am very upset about it.
    I realize that. This wasnt directed to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    I realize that. This wasnt directed to you.
    Something doesn't have to affect me directly for me to be upset about it. And there are things about Obamacare that have ALREADY affected me. Like the tax on rental income that we have to pay because we are renting out a home. They started taxing people to pay for Obamacare way before it took effect. I can pretty much guarantee my insurance IS going to go up next year when the employer mandate goes into effect because we have insurance through my husbands job and they self-insure. I just don't know how much yet.
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    So now 71% of people think the president lied. What a legacy.

    Rasmussen Reports found that 71 percent of voters believe “it's at least somewhat likely that President Obama or senior officials in his administration were aware long before the law began being implemented that health insurance costs would go up for some Americans.”

    Worse for the president: Only 18 percent want Obamacare to move on unchanged, but 43 percent want it repealed and the process started over and another 35 percent want Congress to fix it in a piecemeal fashion.
    Poll: 40% want HHS' Sebelius fired, 43% want law scrapped | WashingtonExaminer.com
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    Love this article. It says it all. People are finally waking up to what is really happening.

    May I ask this question? Why is it that Americans don't have the freedom to choose their own health insurance? I just don't get it. Why must the liberal nanny state make decisions for us? We can make them ourselves, thank you very much. It's like choosing a car, buying a home or investing in a stock. We can handle it.
    So why must the government tell me and everyone else what we can and cannot buy?
    Charles Krauthammer and the Wall Street Journal's Dan Henninger noted in excellent recent columns that this whole Obamacare business represents the greatest-ever expansion of the liberal entitlement-state dream. But I don't want that dream. And you shouldn't either.

    Here's what else I don't want: As a 60-something, relatively healthy person, I don't want lactation and maternity services, abortion services, speech therapy, mammograms, fertility treatments or Viagra. I don't want it. So why should I have to tear up my existing health-care plan, and then buy a plan with far more expensive premiums and deductibles, and with services I don't need or want?
    Why? Because Team Obama says I have to. And that's not much of a reason. It's not freedom.
    Fortunately, NBC News pulled the plug this past week on President Barack Obama's promise that "if you like your own plan, you can keep it." Ditto for keeping your own doctor. The plug was pulled because NBC learned that Team Obama knew—for three years—that stiff new regulations would prevent the grandfathering of existing health-care plans. And not just a few plans. But plans that could affect as many as 15 million individuals.
    The day after that bombshell hit, the president tried to blame insurers rather than regulatory overkill for this Obamacare shortfall. Yet both the public and the mainstream media were having none of it. In what may turn out to be a landmark moment, Americans and the media at large have turned against the president and Obamacare.

    Incidentally, equally punitive regulations will hit more than 90 million employer-sponsored health plans next year. It's the same problem as the individual plan. Grandfathering won't work. Moreover, replacing these plans with much more expensive products will constitute a major tax hike on the entire economy. This point shouldn't be lost as Americans worry about being kicked from their plans. Obamacare is not only anti-freedom but anti-growth.
    As for the grandfathering lie, Obama's HHS staffers were the saboteurs. They undoubtedly acted with full knowledge of what they were doing, and thus trapped the president in three years of falsehoods that were essential to selling Obamacare.
    And I just love it when they tell me that so many of these existing plans are substandard "bad apples." Do the president and his people not know that insurance at the state level is one of the most regulated areas of the economy? They're blaming insurance companies, not their own new regulations. The stupidity of that is hilarious. Do they really think salesmen are out selling these policies off the back of trucks?

    No, this is federal coercion at its worst. And that's why the public is turning against it. It's not freedom.
    Of course, there are other structural problems to Obamacare that are both unfair and unaffordable. Mainly, younger healthy people are not going to subsidize older sicker folks. We should take care of the latter with transparent government subsidies, and not by trying to redistribute resources (again) from the young to the old.
    Or then there's the Medicaid entitlement. It's already out of control and close to bankruptcy. But in the early days of Obamacare, Medicaid sign-ups are exploding, all while sign-ups for private plans on the new exchanges are minuscule.
    Between the president's broken promises, the millions of policy cancellations, the continued website breakdowns and the unaffordable, unfair con game between the healthy young and the sicker old, this Obamacare monster is well on its way to collapsing of its own weight.

    But here's the bigger point: All this is the inevitable result of massive central-planning exercises to control the economy. That's not freedom.
    No amount of rescue legislation is going to change this. It's the elections of 2014 and 2016 that will allow citizens to reject this Soviet-style planning. But I'll reference my conservative colleagues in the media once again: Obamacare represents the greatest-ever expansion of the liberal entitlement-state dream. And you know what? That dream is crumbling and dissolving before our very eyes.
    And that is freedom.
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    I like the ACA, but like any program, the kinks and glitches and what have you need to be ironed out. I'm actually looking forward to improvements, as most things in life always have room for improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Obamacare is not going to make our cost comparable to those other countries.
    Of course it won't. ACA is based on Romneycare which was specifically introduced to keep insurers (the people who keep costs high) in the loop, and to ward off much better plans from other countries. Obama introduced it because he is the most right-wing Democrat president in 70 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blather View Post
    Of course it won't. ACA is based on Romneycare which was specifically introduced to keep insurers (the people who keep costs high) in the loop, and to ward off much better plans from other countries. Obama introduced it because he is the most right-wing Democrat president in 70 years.
    Insurers don't keep costs high. Costs are just crazy. It's not really medical care. It's prescriptions. This country has a love affair with pills and it's costly.
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