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    I don't understand what they're getting at. The insurance plans on the exchanges aren't meant to replace employer subsidized insurance plans. Comparing the two is a false dichotomy. It is meant to replace the plans that people were buying on their own when they did not have access to insurance offered by their employer, which has historically been astronomical. Comparing Obamacare against ANY employer subsidized insurance plan (after the emloyer subsidy and before factoring in the tax credits that most people qualify for with Obamacare which is what this article is doing) is going to make it look like a huge disparity, but that's just dishonest. Unless I'm missing something?

    Having said that, I'm pleased to hear that Wal-Mart is offering comprehensive health care. I wonder how many of its employees qualify for it?
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    The biggest downside is that, as with other Walmart corporate things, it's probably not available to you if you are a woman. The prices are only low until they drive all the other health plans out of town, then watch out for mysteriously rising rates when you have nowhere else to go. And they'll demand that all references to sex be removed from any literature they hand out, so sorry if your teenagers get pregnant because they didn't have all the information. But who cares? It's CHEAPER!
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    I'm also confused at what that article was comparing.

    I have a family plan at work that I pay roughly 130.00 towards every other week. The total premium is much higher than that but my company pays that. It's a perk. It's a benefit.

    If I had to pay it on my own, I would pay the whole premium just like in "obamacare" which again...is NOT a health plan. You would never have a card that says 'Obamacare" and you wouldn't go to the doctor's office and say I have "Obamacare" insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The biggest downside is that, as with other Walmart corporate things, it's probably not available to you if you are a woman. The prices are only low until they drive all the other health plans out of town, then watch out for mysteriously rising rates when you have nowhere else to go. And they'll demand that all references to sex be removed from any literature they hand out, so sorry if your teenagers get pregnant because they didn't have all the information. But who cares? It's CHEAPER!
    That's strange because my niece worked for Walmart for 20 years and worked all the way up to store manager and then retired without being treated differently because she was a woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    I'm also confused at what that article was comparing.

    I have a family plan at work that I pay roughly 130.00 towards every other week. The total premium is much higher than that but my company pays that. It's a perk. It's a benefit.

    If I had to pay it on my own, I would pay the whole premium just like in "obamacare" which again...is NOT a health plan. You would never have a card that says 'Obamacare" and you wouldn't go to the doctor's office and say I have "Obamacare" insurance.
    Yes, exactly. If you wanted to do a more fair comparison, you would compare individually purchased insurance plans before the exchanges vs the insurance plans on the exchanges, also factoring in the credits that most families will receive. It should look like this:


    (Average Individually Purchased Plan) vs (Average Exchange Plan minus Average Credit)

    Instead, they seem to be comparing this:

    (Employer Purchased Plan minus Employer Subsidy) vs (Average Obamacare Plan before subtracting out Average Credit)

    That's not an honest assessment. Like, at all.

    Again, unless I'm missing something here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    also factoring in the credits that most families will receive.
    Can you tell me where you are getting this from. I have not read anything to make me believe that the majority of families in America will receive credits.

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    17 million of the 29 million eligible for Obamacare, or 59%, are expected to qualify for subsidies.

    17 Million Americans Could Get Obamacare Subsidies: Report
    Last edited by Spacers; 01-07-2014 at 07:23 PM. Reason: 59, not 69
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    If there are 313,914,040 (USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau) people in the US and 17 Million are eligible for tax credits that works out to be less than 19% I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If there are 313,914,040 (USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau) people in the US and 17 Million are eligible for tax credits that works out to be less than 19% I believe.
    Anyone who doesn't qualify for Obamacare, doesn't qualify for a subsidy for it. Anyone already covered by job-based health coverage or Medicare or Medicaid doesn't qualify. That leaves 29 million Americans who do. Of those 29 million, 17 milliion, which is 59%, are expected to qualify for subsidies. My apologies, I wrote 69% earlier. I changed it.
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