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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Also, this is just another way to put a divide between the poor/ well off students. Poor students would have to attend no matter what due to not being able to afford fines. The wealthy students could just pay to have special favour.
    This is not exactly true. There is a provision to request to take the time, which anyone can do. The only privilege for the will off students is that they can ignore it if their request is denied. HOWEVER, if this system is done correctly, it would actually be to these students detriment to ignore the school saying they cant take the time, as it would put them behind in their education.

    As things stand now (here at least) anyone can take any time they want, and the more well off families can afford tutors to catch their children back up. So this is not creating a divide that didnt already exist, what it would force though, is for those well off families who choose to go away anyways to pay back into the school, which would benefit everyone.
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    How can you seriously fine a child for not being in a place that he is not legally required to be? Children are not required to go to any particular school (They can home school or go private). The next thing you will say is that any child who does not go to public school they will need to pay because the school is then not getting the funding. No, they are ALREADY paying. They pay in their taxes. I think requiring students to pay huge fines is a grave injustice and is breaching the right to a FREE public school. I just do not see how it could possibly be right or legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    How can you seriously fine a child for not being in a place that he is not legally required to be? Children are not required to go to any particular school (They can home school or go private). The next thing you will say is that any child who does not go to public school they will need to pay because the school is then not getting the funding. No, they are ALREADY paying. They pay in their taxes. I think requiring students to pay huge fines is a grave injustice and is breaching the right to a FREE public school. I just do not see how it could possibly be right or legal.
    Ummm....here a child is legally required to attend school. That can take different forms, including home school, distance ed, private, public, ect. But they are required to attend school. If a parent is choosing to take their child out of school often enough that it is a detriment to their education, then it is actually the parent that is interfering with that childs right to an education, and in that case, the parent should have to pay a fine, IMO.

    Like you said, as a home schooler you are required to do a set number of days a year. Why should other families be exempt from that requirement. Obviously we cannot extend the school year to account for ALL children, but I think it is reasonable to hold families accountable in SOME way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    How can you seriously fine a child for not being in a place that he is not legally required to be? Children are not required to go to any particular school (They can home school or go private). The next thing you will say is that any child who does not go to public school they will need to pay because the school is then not getting the funding. No, they are ALREADY paying. They pay in their taxes. I think requiring students to pay huge fines is a grave injustice and is breaching the right to a FREE public school. I just do not see how it could possibly be right or legal.
    Children are legally required to attend *A* school every day, not a particular school. If you are going to pull your child out of school for a month for family travel, then you should register with the state as a home school or sign up your child for independent study with the public school, and not just take them out unexcused. There are many, many ways to get around this and avoid a fine. The basic premise is, the kids need to be schooled, somewhere, somehow, and it's up to the parents to make that happen. If they don't take advantage of one of the many legal options, then they deserve to pay a fine.

    Our school is filled to capacity. It's actually more than full as we have a class in what used to be the library and no physical library at the moment. We also have a waiting list of kids who want to attend our school because it's closer to home or where their parents work, or they want a school with a garden or whatever reason; they are currently attending other schools while waiting to see if a spot will open up. Why should we hold open spots in classrooms, and lose money because of it, for kids who aren't there for weeks at a time, because their parents would prefer to save money on travel during the school year? That's just ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post

    Like you said, as a home schooler you are required to do a set number of days a year. Why should other families be exempt from that requirement. Obviously we cannot extend the school year to account for ALL children, but I think it is reasonable to hold families accountable in SOME way.
    Children are required to go to school somewhere, not a particular school. My point was how could the local school charge a fine for not being in school when they are not required to be at that school.

    Public schools build in days for students to be out for various reasons. As I gave in my example, most jobs have allowances in the work place for sick days as well as personal/vacation days. An example would be 3 weeks of sick time and 2 weeks of vacation time. It is crazy to think that a student or parent would be fined for taking equal time.

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    Our district allows up to 5 pre-arranged absences for family vacations and such. That doesn't include sick days. I like this option, since it does allow for some family trips while keeping it in check. I also think they allow some additional days for college visits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Children are required to go to school somewhere, not a particular school. My point was how could the local school charge a fine for not being in school when they are not required to be at that school.
    Unless the children have been properly transferred to another school, they need to be at *that* school or they are considered truant. If the kids are enrolled at any other school, then they aren't truant and their parents won't be fined. Why is that so difficult to understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Children are required to go to school somewhere, not a particular school. My point was how could the local school charge a fine for not being in school when they are not required to be at that school.

    Public schools build in days for students to be out for various reasons. As I gave in my example, most jobs have allowances in the work place for sick days as well as personal/vacation days. An example would be 3 weeks of sick time and 2 weeks of vacation time. It is crazy to think that a student or parent would be fined for taking equal time.
    Children are required to be at A SCHOOL (or other options already discussed). They need to be registered as such, and attend on a regular basis. You cannot register at the local elementary school and then home school your child, you need to register as a home schooler. It is only the parents of children REGISTERED and attending the school that can be fined.

    Public schools do build in time off. They are called summer, winter and spring vacation. If kids miss a big chunk of time other than that they cant just pick up where they left off like you can with your girls. They are now behind the rest of the class and additional resources must be used to catch them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Children are required to go to school somewhere, not a particular school. My point was how could the local school charge a fine for not being in school when they are not required to be at that school.

    Public schools build in days for students to be out for various reasons. As I gave in my example, most jobs have allowances in the work place for sick days as well as personal/vacation days. An example would be 3 weeks of sick time and 2 weeks of vacation time. It is crazy to think that a student or parent would be fined for taking equal time.
    The school isn't charging a fine; it's the court system (at least in my area). The school never sees a dime of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    Make me wonder though if a parent has intentions of getting their kid to school but the child skips out...is the parent going to get fined? I don't think i like that.
    From what I read, if you're showing that you're trying to get your child to attend school then you won't be fined.

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