Laurie, mom to:
Nathaniel ( 10 ) and Juliet ( 7 )
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I think if a guy asks the father and the father says no then the guy has to decide for himself why he asked in the first place. If he wasn't truly asking for permission then the sooner he speaks up and clarifies that the better.
And if we are talking about a culture where it is expected and you really do want the father's permission then i guess they shouldn't marry then!