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    The point isn't to recite the Pledge in another language because the student can't speak English. The point is to take something that the students know intimately well and explore it in other languages as a cultural exercise. They could do the same thing with any other short piece that everyone knows well, like "Row Row Row Your Boat," or "Mary Had a Little Lamb." They used the Pledge because it's something they say every day, or every few days, as part of their school routine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The point isn't to recite the Pledge in another language because the student can't speak English. The point is to take something that the students know intimately well and explore it in other languages as a cultural exercise. They could do the same thing with any other short piece that everyone knows well, like "Row Row Row Your Boat," or "Mary Had a Little Lamb." They used the Pledge because it's something they say every day, or every few days, as part of their school routine.
    One could argue (again, not necessarily my POV) that the pledge should be kept sacred and not used in this manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I am not settled with my feelings on this issue. I have heard opinions from the other side that I could give for the purpose of the debate, even though I do not necessarily agree with all of them.

    Children living in this country need to learn to speak English in order to succeed. The reason we say the pledge is to instil a sense of Patriotism and it defeats the purpose to speak it in another language.

    Again, not necessarily my views, but I know they are relatively common.

    Unless they are deaf.

    So the question then is the purpose of the pledge to learn English or to pledge allegiance to the country? It wouldn't set well with me if I moved to a different country and I was asked to recite a promise of loyalty to that country when I don't fully even understand the words/what they mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    One could argue (again, not necessarily my POV) that the pledge should be kept sacred and not used in this manner.
    And I would argue that exploring it in the context of learning about other cultures might help some kids recognize just how good we have it here in America and feel even more pride in reciting it, or choose to become citizens so they can legally recite it in English.
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    English isn't even the official national language in the US (because we don't have one.) I don't see how it "defeats the purpose" of the pledge to say it in a different language. The purpose of the pledge is to pledge your alligiance to the US, not to pledge your alligiance to the English language, so I don't really see how the two are related, except in the minds of the kinds of people who take it personally when they have to press 1 for English.
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    Is someone is pledging ALLEGIANCE to OUR flag, in any language, they are patriots~ period~

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    You need to speak English in this country to succeed? REALLY? Did I just read that correctly? I'm pressing 2.
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    I'm Canadian and I just find the whole pledging allegiance thing very strange. First of all, it's to a FLAG, and second, it just reeks of indoctrination. Makes me think of the dances they made Chinese children do during the Cultural Revolution. I didn't grow up with such things, so it seems odd to me and my kids both say the pledge at school!

    Anyway I think once you're past that, it doesn't matter what language it's in and it's rather nice to do it in other languages, especially Arabic...this may help bridge some gaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mommytoMR.FACE View Post
    You need to speak English in this country to succeed? REALLY? Did I just read that correctly? I'm pressing 2.
    Truly not trying to be argumentative, but .... being married to a naturalized citizen who came to America barely knowing any English (French is his first language), I truly don't see how someone could really be successful here (make decent money, specifically), without learning English. The very first thing my husband had to do when he came here was learn English. He devoted the first year he was here to that almost exclusively, because he understood how important it was. Can you explain to me how you see someone succeeding here without learning English?

    Side note: I love the idea of them saying the pledge in other languages, so this question is not a reflection of my opinion on that topic!
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    It probably depends on your location & choice of career. There are plenty of shopkeepers and cab drivers here who can barely speak English. I had a plumber show up once who spoke Spanish; he would dial a cell phone for someone to translate when we couldn't communicate well enough. There are also a number of SAHMs who came here with a husband who can speak English. All of them seem to be succeeding pretty well. And anyway, we're talking about children. Even the native English speakers are still learning to use the language properly. Judging by online postings and reality TV, it seems that not all of them are learning it very well.
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