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    I think it was a message to Catholics as well.

    Also, I actually understand what Gloria means by "the easy way out". I have this conversation with my husband a lot. He believes that in order to go to Heaven, you have to accept Christ as your savior. He believes it with all his heart, although he thinks that practicing Jews also get a "free pass" as he calls it. But he would also use the expression "easy way out", not for people of other religions, but for people who just go to church because they're supposed to but don't dig any deeper, for people who are just nice people but don't accept Christ, etc.

    Early on I asked him if this was a problem for him in terms of me, since I don't accept Christ, and he said that (a) there's always time (ha!) and (b) it's God's job to tap you on the shoulder.

    Now while I don't share his beliefs, we talk about it often and he explains it like that to me.

    And he also believes in letting our kids come to religion themselves. Nathaniel has recently started going to church with him and told me today that he's the only kid he knows who WANTS to go to church. "That's because you never HAVE to," I told him, and he agreed.

    Anyway I don't think the messages were for atheists. I don't find anything the Pope says relevant to me in any way, except that he is preaching more tolerance and I have to agree with that!
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    I don't think he was addressing this to Atheists only to his fellow Catholics.

    Why do I think this is great? I think it's the first time someone in high religious power has come out to essentially say..accept one another. Acknowledging that too many negative actions are done to those who don't believe or who believe differently than the "norm" and that it needs to end.

    Now, I will use my beliefs to explain another reason I think this is great. Now please, I don't mind debating what I put forth but I do ask for respect for my beliefs as they are totally personal and I don't expect any of you to take these on in your lives. So comments such as how I' not a "real Christian" or whatever...please just stop before typing. Thank you in advance.

    I feel that the Pope is setting forth a different belief and understanding of why we are here on Earth. Every single one of us believes in the right thing as it is the right thing for us. Believers may use different names or different means to understand God and their purpose. My belief is that non believers will still end up next to me in Heaven (whether they like it or not ) because for whatever reason...that is a part of their journey here. For those that are Atheists, I don't want to seem like I'm praying for your salvation..you don't want it and I wouldn't want to waste my time .....just that those of you who I know on here that are not believers of God....are awesome people....and I think God's good with that. So personally, I think the Pope is acknowledging a similar feeling. That those of us who are good and just....regardless of how we identify spiritually..will all get to partake in the same glory. So I personally enjoy feeling like I'm aligned spiritually with someone.
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    Laurie, although we are a family that goes to church together we have never "made" our children go. We really want our children to form their very own relationship with the Lord, so far it is working for us.

    The more I think about this, the more I think this is an awesome message. It should be a pretty convicting one for Christians that feel that they are better people then atheists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JorgieGirl View Post
    Well, as someone who identifies as an atheist, I don't find it upsetting. I find it hilarious. As do the great majority of my atheist friends.

    To me, it's like saying the the Polar Express is going to come get me this Christmas and take me to the North Pole whether I believe it or not.

    I also agree that he didn't say it TO atheists or any other group of people, aside from those who actively listen to him, his Catholic church members.
    I guess i don't understand why its hilarious. Say someone believes in reincarnation....jsut as an example. Just because i don't believe in reincarnation doesn't mean i think a)that is ridiculous that anyone else does,b) nor would i find it hilarious to think that they might believe i was included in that reincarnation.

    Or if there is some religion that truly and genuinely believes that their land of gods takes all the people and turns them into fairies in another land....i woudln't find it weird that they say it happens to me too even though i don't believe in their religion.

    I guess i just don't see the point in treating other people's beliefs like a joke. I mean especially if you can acknowledge that he's talking to Catholics and not to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Exactly. There are lots of people out there that believe this and these are the people in that third category who are commenting. They probably aren't Catholic and don't even believe in the pope but go the easy route that it doesn't matter what religion you are if you are a good person then we will all go to whatever place in the sky that turns out to be the right one. Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Jew, Atheist ... whatever floats your boat we will all end up together as long as you are a nice person.
    Actually a lot of them probably are Catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I guess i don't understand why its hilarious. Say someone believes in reincarnation....jsut as an example. Just because i don't believe in reincarnation doesn't mean i think a)that is ridiculous that anyone else does,b) nor would i find it hilarious to think that they might believe i was included in that reincarnation.

    Or if there is some religion that truly and genuinely believes that their land of gods takes all the people and turns them into fairies in another land....i woudln't find it weird that they say it happens to me too even though i don't believe in their religion.

    I guess i just don't see the point in treating other people's beliefs like a joke. I mean especially if you can acknowledge that he's talking to Catholics and not to you.
    I'm not going around pointing at Catholics, laughing and calling them all adorable for being so cute with their little beliefs, in real life. I'm not rude.

    This was a thread asking about what a Catholic thinks about Atheists and I thought it might be interesting to add what my honest feelings are, since part of who I am I label atheist. I'd feel the same way about any major religious organization saying what they think is going to happen to ME when I die (regardless if they are talking to me or not).

    I don't mock when people say THEY are going to heaven. But include me in there and I have free reign to feel how I want about my inclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JorgieGirl View Post
    I'm not going around pointing at Catholics, laughing and calling them all adorable for being so cute with their little beliefs, in real life. I'm not rude.
    You found it appropriate to do here though. I would never make fun of someones religion. I might disagree with someones religion here. I may point out what i think they do wrong based on their religion. But I wouldn't trivialize their beliefs.

    This was a thread asking about what a Catholic thinks about Atheists and I thought it might be interesting to add what my honest feelings are, since part of who I am I label atheist. I'd feel the same way about any major religious organization saying what they think is going to happen to ME when I die (regardless if they are talking to me or not).
    Guess i feel like you could have portrayed your opinion in a more respectful manner.

    I don't mock when people say THEY are going to heaven. But include me in there and I have free reign to feel how I want about my inclusion.
    I don't understand taking anything like that personally. I've met a few people who feel that way and it just strikes me as totally oversensitive. If i believe in a God it is actually very logical to believe that God applies to everything, not just those invidividual humans that consciously have decided to believe in him.

    Thats what i don't get...i don't get what is silly or childish (which is what your analogy portrays to me)...its logical.

    And it in no way affects you or your own beliefs. I mean the same applies to athiests right? If there is no god, that means there is no god...universally. Or do you think that you don't have a god, but i do? And even if your own beliefs on the subject somehow account for that you can't tell me all athiests would think that way.

    I really would never take it personally or take offense to an athiest saying "I don't believe in a god...at all. There is no god over me, and there is no god over the ones who are christian" Or find it a reason to treat that belief system like a joke or childish story.

    I mean sure...share your opinion here. I just think its too bad you have such little respect for someone who believes in a god and an afterlife. I mean, i guess you can hide it to their faces but its obviously there.

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    and I'm reminded why the atheists left this place. Can't have an opinion or feelings without someone getting butthurt by someone else who finds a bit of humour in religion.

    I tried!

    Continue on without me folks.
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    Yeah i would suggest the "have a laugh at religious people" board instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JorgieGirl View Post
    I don't get it either. Atheists don't care what the Pope or the Christian God thinks about their worthiness to get into heaven, because they don't believe in heaven or the Christian God. Not sure why a Christian would care if an atheist is in heaven or not either.
    Most religions actually want people to join in their beliefs. I mean, Mormon boys/men spend 2 years of their lives going around on a "mission", trying to lead people to what they believe. The Bible calls Christians to evangelize and "spread the good news". If you believe in heaven and hell, of course you would want everyone to be in heaven, because hell is horrible, and a true Christian wouldn't wish that on anyone.
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