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    Maybe if you would open your mind a bit, you wouldn't feel like you're being attacked.

    You may say you remember what you thought/felt/whatever when you were 11 - but unless that was, like, 5 years ago, I'm going to assume you're thoughts are fairly clouded. Hell - I can barely remember how I felt when I was 21!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mommydearest View Post
    Maybe if you would open your mind a bit, you wouldn't feel like you're being attacked.
    That has nothing to do with it. The rule is debate the topic and not the person, like not calling people out by name stating you think their views are disturbing and arrogant. That is not cool even if you don't agree with them.
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    I know in previous debates on abortion it was discussed that if a baby is born premature and is disabled it would go into foster care and not be adopted. This story came out today that disproves that. A mother said she was going to abort her Downs baby if she didn't find adoptive parents in one day. In that one day they had 1000 people offer to adopt the baby.

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    That's so touching. I would be even more touched if all these people clamoring for this baby would take on a foster child when they don't get picked to adopt this child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    That's so touching. I would be even more touched if all these people clamoring for this baby would take on a foster child when they don't get picked to adopt this child.
    Agreed. There are a lot of babies and children who need families.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I know in previous debates on abortion it was discussed that if a baby is born premature and is disabled it would go into foster care and not be adopted. This story came out today that disproves that. A mother said she was going to abort her Downs baby if she didn't find adoptive parents in one day. In that one day they had 1000 people offer to adopt the baby.

    Church finds family for unborn down syndrome baby | wusa9.com
    i don't remember anyone using that argument ever, for the record. I remember the debate where people argued that it was the biological parents right to choose that option if they wanted (on the surrogate baby stealing debate) but .....I don't really even get what this link has to do with this debate.

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    I'm locking this debate for now. I had a response typed out, lost it, and don't have time to redo at the moment. PLEASE allow this a cooling off period and absolutely do not continue in another thread. I WILL respond and reopen later after I've had time to repost and address a few things.

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    All - obviously abortion is a heated topic all on its own. Rape is an incredibly sensitive topic. Add in the emotions ignited by having a child involved... and this is an explosive debate.

    We have discussed before that when you (general you) *choose* to insert a personal experience within a debate that you then must understand that it does open up the possibility of people debating your situation. The fact that often this does not go well (for either side) -- especially within highly charged debates -- is why we have advised against it. That said, I understand that each of you have that choice and it is not forbidden. *My* personal wish for those responding, especially in topics like this, would be to respect that this is a personal situation and to choose to make replies more generalized. Again, this is not a requirement when someone has opted to make their experience a part of the debate... but the option that at least attempts to avoid feeling *as* harsh.

    Rather than beat around this further:

    Stacey, I understand why you opted to share your choice and experience with abortion to offer a counter within the debate. In doing so, however, others then do have the option to debate that decision. FTR, I know you understand that to be the case.

    Rachel - I recognize that you started with stating that you wished that she had not brought a personal story in. I also understand that you are debating that there were alternative choices that you feel could have been made instead of abortion. Fine. Given that the situation was personal and you responded in kind though... keeping it personal... the end result does come across as being somewhat callous. While I respect that you didn't bring in the personal situation and accept the point of wanting to present a pro-life view, the conclusion you reached did come across as if the intent was for the purpose of being hurtful. As I've gotten to *know* you over the years, I deeply admire your passion AND your compassionate spirit. I am not opposing your right to present your opinion(s) -- but do understand that when doing so in this particular manner that it tends to be unlikely that those opposing will *hear* your point vs. being caught up in indignation over the delivery.

    Melissa - while I get that you were / are upset over the post, you cannot swarm in with personal attacks of this manner. Fine to say that you disagree, find the post distasteful or whatever. It is also NEVER ok to post someone's personal name and information online without their permission. I am editing those posts. Debate the topic. NOT the person. If you can't do that take a break.

    It is also not a requirement that all participants of a debate must have personal experience with every aspect of the topic in order to weigh in.

    If anyone wants to discuss any of the above, feel free to drop me a private message.

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    Should this CHILD be not only have attention drawn to her, but be PRAISED for her decision to give birth to a "living doll" of her rape baby? Should her mother even be allowed to be involved in this decision after declaring her 11 year old to have been in a CONSENSUAL relationship with the Mother's partner? Abortion is illegal in her country, keep in mind. Would you seek to find some way to intervene/help this child or counsel her/find a way for her to procure an abortion?
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    I assumed that when Rachel posted her entire name in her profile - herself- she didn't object to it being used!?!?!? I was hoping using her real name would help remind her to be polite and use mine as I continually request. That is RIDICULOUS that you admonish me for using the name that SHE posts in her very own profile. Please rethink that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Sounds "Perfect" to me.. wish you had not brought a personal story into it ... However.. You were married.. the child would have had two parents.. You were employed. You did not know you wouldn't be able to work due to pregnancy.. you didn't know you would loose your job.. and again there were two of you. And even if you did I dare say a smart one like you could have found a part time one.You aborted because you wanted more money.
    Shame on you. Don't make judgments when you haven't lived through someone else's circumstances. Isn't something like that found in that bible you like to spout about?

    Perhaps you've forgotten that my husband has a mental illness that prevents him from working; if I don't work, we don't eat, we lose our apartment, we lose our health insurance. And yes, I was pretty sure to lose my job. I didn't want more money. I just didn't want to have a BABY when there was no way to provide for it. Kind of like if I were, oh let's say, eleven? No job, no stability, no health care, that's what this girl is facing, too.
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