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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Everyone is so worried about this one girl in Chile who is having a baby at 11 years old, when it is a standard practice in Ethiopia for girls to be married and have children that young. Who is worrying about them? There are girls there having babies at 11 that haven't been raped, it is just normal for them to be married at that age. I saw a documentary about it on TV and it is just so sad. I'm sure this girl in Chile has a much better chance at having a healthy baby than any of those girls.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SID081108 View Post
    I think a lot of 11 year olds (including me at that age) have kind of a fairy tale idea of what it would be like to have your own baby.
    So do a lot of 16 and 17 year olds that are having babies. Yet we glorify them on TV with reality shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So how does that make it true that she is being forced when she has said otherwise?
    You seem to act like its not a possibility when all the signs are there that she was coerced into this position. For cripes sake the leader of this country has praised her for simply uttering the words. Surely that is a climate conducive to making ones own autonomous decision....not. And you know there is the whole fact that she is 11 years old, because you know, parents never weigh in on their 11 year olds decisions.

    And even without the 'little doll' comment...to give her such high praise for merely uttering the words that she wants to keep the baby is just ridiculous. You can say lots of things, especially at 11 years old and not understand the gravity of what it is you are actually saying.

    Really this whole thing is just sad. I fear for this kid. The people looking after her are a mother who sees nothing wrong with this situation (makes me sick) and some leadership that has taken to making her into a public example. I wish someone could take her far away from that place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So do a lot of 16 and 17 year olds that are having babies. Yet we glorify them on TV with reality shows.
    I'm not really sure how that's relevant here, but from the 16 and pregnant episodes I've watched, I don't see them being glorified at all. It's more like a chance for us to see what a trainwreck most of their lives as young mothers are. But I see this as different because it's a statement being made by a high government official. It would be like Obama publically praising teenage mothers (that have been impregnanted through molestation).

    Don't get me wrong, I'm happy this baby is going to be born. I just don't think this child is old enough to raise a child, especially with what a whacked up family she clearly has. I think the child would be much better off with an adoptive family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So do a lot of 16 and 17 year olds that are having babies. Yet we glorify them on TV with reality shows.
    Again with the deflection. We aren't talking about them right now, we are talking about this girl. How does the existence of these 16 and 17 year olds mean that the words that came out of this 11 year olds mouth show maturity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    The girl's statement wasn't in writing. She stated it in a TV interview. How could they lie about that? It doesn't matter what the mother says, it is not possible that it was consentual at 11 years old.
    And in my mind its not possible that an ELEVEN year old victim of long term abuse is able to make a consentual decision about her "baby doll" when she has no idea about what being a mother means.

    I have no idea what the statement being in writing or not matters, you have lost me there. I will say that putting an 11 year old incest victim on TELEVISION is sick in and of itself, asking her to then be the face of some moral or religiously zealot agenda is even worse. Talk about victimizing the victim. Sick.

    Carrie ~ I too wonder HOW this kid can keep the kid? Her mother will be in jail as will her step father or whoever that creeper was. So some stranger takes in this child and HER child? I can't even envision how that works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    So do a lot of 16 and 17 year olds that are having babies. Yet we glorify them on TV with reality shows.

    Again, how is this related? I certainly don't glorify these people, I've never watched one of those shows in my entire life. Don't most people watch them though because of what a MESS they are, not because of how awesome they are? Aren't they like honey boo boo? People don't tune in to her because she is glorified, but because they like to feel superior to the trainwreck that is being taken advantage of.

    Are you saying that because we take advantage of 16 year old pregnant girls for TV ratings it is okay and GOOD for this president to take advantage of this 11 year old? Because that is some messed up thinking, right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    You seem to act like its not a possibility when all the signs are there that she was coerced into this position. For cripes sake the leader of this country has praised her for simply uttering the words. Surely that is a climate conducive to making ones own autonomous decision....not. And you know there is the whole fact that she is 11 years old, because you know, parents never weigh in on their 11 year olds decisions.

    And even without the 'little doll' comment...to give her such high praise for merely uttering the words that she wants to keep the baby is just ridiculous. You can say lots of things, especially at 11 years old and not understand the gravity of what it is you are actually saying.

    Really this whole thing is just sad. I fear for this kid. The people looking after her are a mother who sees nothing wrong with this situation (makes me sick) and some leadership that has taken to making her into an public example. I wish someone could take her far away from that place.
    Of course its a possibility, but I don't automatically assume because she wants to keep her baby she is being forced to. But yet you want her to be forced to abort. Of course she probably doesn't understand what it is really like to have a baby, but if she was 16 and didn't understand what it was really like to have a baby does that automatically mean that she was forced to have it? Because there are many girls that age who have babies that think it is like having a doll too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Again, how is this related? I certainly don't glorify these people, I've never watched one of those shows in my entire life. Don't most people watch them though because of what a MESS they are, not because of how awesome they are? Aren't they like honey boo boo? People don't tune in to her because she is glorified, but because they like to feel superior to the trainwreck that is being taken advantage of.

    Are you saying that because we take advantage of 16 year old pregnant girls for TV ratings it is okay and GOOD for this president to take advantage of this 11 year old? Because that is some messed up thinking, right there.
    It is related because many 16 year olds don't always understand what having a baby is any more than this 11 year old, but we don't force them to abort their babies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Of course its a possibility, but I don't automatically assume because she wants to keep her baby she is being forced to.
    I am going to go with what the signs point to being way more likely, for the reasons i just stated. You choose to believe the words of an 11 year old rape victim, just because?...i don't know why really. You say you have no reason to not believe her...i think we've presented enough reasons already.

    But yet you want her to be forced to abort.
    I want her to not be put in the spotlight. I want her to receive appropriate counseling...iI want to take her out of a country that has chosen to put pressure on her to be a model of their ethical and moral vision....an ELEVEN year old...RAPE victim! I want her to have guidance on what to do at this point from someone who has her interests at heart. She has none of that.

    Of course she probably doesn't understand what it is really like to have a baby, but if she was 16 and didn't understand what it was really like to have a baby does that automatically mean that she was forced to have it? Because there are many girls that age who have babies that think it is like having a doll too.
    I don't understand why you insist on talking about other people in other situations. I"m trying to debate this girl in this situation.

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