Race-based request NCIU

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

No I do not, as I have said, if no accommodation can be made, then the hospital should say no.

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Where do you draw the line? Supporting racist behavior to on duty staff is fine to you- but calling in skin color appropriate nurses or drs is still an accommodation that the hospital *could* do. Why shouldn't they have to to support your theory of the patient being the employer and a black nurse not being the right person to work with a racist?

In my opinion, in a hospital situation, the patient has a right to make requests. For example - May I have juice instead of sprite? May I have orange jello instead of grape? May I have a female doctor instead of a man? If the hospital can reasonably accommodate I believe they should. If they do not have juice, then when someone asks they would say No, we do not have that. If a patient said they were really uncomfortable with a black nurse I think it would be in the best interest of all involved to try to accommodate. If it is not possible or would be too much, then they would say No, that is not possible at this time.

Now there is not part of me that understands why it would matter at all what color someone's skin is, but it you are so uncomfortable that you are not going to have a good relationship with your nurse, and he or she is not going to be comfortable with you, then the best option is to move things around if at all possible. It does not matter if we think the reason is pigheaded, in that situation it would be best to move if at all possible.

Let me try another example. Say I had an irrational fear of closed in spaces on a cruise. Would it be unreasonable to request a room with a window? The cruise might say No, there are no rooms of that kind available and that would be the end of it, or if there was an extra room available they might make the switch if possible. You would still be allowed to ask. Asking for the change would not equate saying you wanted off the ship. In the same manner, asking for a different nurse because of an irrational prejudice is not the same as denying care.

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Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

I can understand maybe the initial reaction just because they probably were a little confused about how to handle the circumstances. But once the hospital administration got involved they should have immediately told him that he could not request the race of the nurse, and if that is what he wanted he would need to find a different hospital. They followed these instructions for almost a month that no African-American nurse was to treat his child. That was unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by GloriaInTX

The thing is they didn't just reassign this particular nurse. They reassigned ALL black nurses that would have treated this baby. Some that the father had never even met. It is impossible for him to say he didn't like a nurse he hadn't even met.

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I admit I didn't read the full story just what was quoted, but if these two things are true, then I'm going to change my mind -- a bit. I still stand by my assertion that any patient should be able to request a new caregiver for any reason whether anyone else thinks it's a good reason or not. But I will agree that eliminating an entire group of caregivers based on skin color is discriminatory and the hospital should not have cooperated with him.

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

In my opinion, in a hospital situation, the patient has a right to make requests. For example - May I have juice instead of sprite? May I have orange jello instead of grape? May I have a female doctor instead of a man? If the hospital can reasonably accommodate I believe they should. If they do not have juice, then when someone asks they would say No, we do not have that. If a patient said they were really uncomfortable with a black nurse I think it would be in the best interest of all involved to try to accommodate. If it is not possible or would be too much, then they would say No, that is not possible at this time.

Now there is not part of me that understands why it would matter at all what color someone's skin is, but it you are so uncomfortable that you are not going to have a good relationship with your nurse, and he or she is not going to be comfortable with you, then the best option is to move things around if at all possible. It does not matter if we think the reason is pigheaded, in that situation it would be best to move if at all possible.

Let me try another example. Say I had an irrational fear of closed in spaces on a cruise. Would it be unreasonable to request a room with a window? The cruise might say No, there are no rooms of that kind available and that would be the end of it, or if there was an extra room available they might make the switch if possible. You would still be allowed to ask. Asking for the change would not equate saying you wanted off the ship. In the same manner, asking for a different nurse because of an irrational prejudice is not the same as denying care.

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I do not think the hospital, which has an anti-discrimination policy, should in any way support discrimination. They should ONLY tell the staff involved in case it is a problem for them. The patient's request, when it goes against law and policy, is irrelevant.

And if you were claustrophobic, you would book the right room before getting on the ship. And it's not discriminatory to have a room with a window. I am baffled as to why these things are not separated for you on this issue.

No one is saying you can't make requests that suit your needs, but I can't understand why it's okay for a hospital (or any organization) to honor someone's request BASED ON RACE/SKIN COLOR. It's not about "preferences". You do NOT get to make racist decisions for a hospital. They're not allowed to make decisions based on that, so they shouldn't do it on a patient's behalf any more than they should do it if a doctor says she is not comfortable working with, say, Asian nurses. It's not okay to back that up, it just isn't.

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Originally Posted by Spacers

I admit I didn't read the full story just what was quoted, but if these two things are true, then I'm going to change my mind -- a bit. I still stand by my assertion that any patient should be able to request a new caregiver for any reason whether anyone else thinks it's a good reason or not. But I will agree that eliminating an entire group of caregivers based on skin color is discriminatory and the hospital should not have cooperated with him.

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Here is the end of the article. I made a mistake though it was for more than a month.

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A note made its way onto prominent spot on the baby's medical chart, according to the suit: "Please, no African-American nurses to care for ... baby per dad's request."

The hospital's lawyer then objected to the decision, and the note was removed. The staff then told the father that they could no longer honor his request, according to the complaint.

Even so, the lawsuits alleges, for more than a month no African-American nurses were assigned to care of the child.

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

In my opinion, in a hospital situation, the patient has a right to make requests. For example - May I have juice instead of sprite? May I have orange jello instead of grape? May I have a female doctor instead of a man? If the hospital can reasonably accommodate I believe they should. If they do not have juice, then when someone asks they would say No, we do not have that. If a patient said they were really uncomfortable with a black nurse I think it would be in the best interest of all involved to try to accommodate. If it is not possible or would be too much, then they would say No, that is not possible at this time.

Now there is not part of me that understands why it would matter at all what color someone's skin is, but it you are so uncomfortable that you are not going to have a good relationship with your nurse, and he or she is not going to be comfortable with you, then the best option is to move things around if at all possible. It does not matter if we think the reason is pigheaded, in that situation it would be best to move if at all possible.

Let me try another example. Say I had an irrational fear of closed in spaces on a cruise. Would it be unreasonable to request a room with a window? The cruise might say No, there are no rooms of that kind available and that would be the end of it, or if there was an extra room available they might make the switch if possible. You would still be allowed to ask. Asking for the change would not equate saying you wanted off the ship. In the same manner, asking for a different nurse because of an irrational prejudice is not the same as denying care.

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I am lost when you compare asking for jello instead of sprite to saying "NO BLACK PEOPLE NEAR MY BAYBEEE" and a hospital accomidating both requests as being equal. I honestly don't get what the disconnect is for you. The two things are nothing alike.

And if you wanted a room with a window you would book it and pay for it, if you couldn't I would assume that you would not go on the cruise. In the same way that this man has the option to pick white only dentists, and white only primary physicians, and white only restaurants or haircut places or whatever, when he enters into a community/a hospital there is an element of "deal with it". Not deal with bad care. Not deal with a rude nurse. Not deal with a Dr who didn't read your childs chard. Not deal with not getting to get a second opinion. BUT "deal with" your racism or get out. And that should have been the hospitals reply. NOT agreeing to discriminate against a proven, qualified worker (and ALL proven and qualified workers for over a month!) who happened to have a certain skin color. That is criminal.

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Originally Posted by freddieflounder101

I can't understand why it's okay for a hospital (or any organization) to honor someone's request BASED ON RACE/SKIN COLOR.

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What is the difference in request based on gender, but not on skin color?

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

What is the difference in request based on gender, but not on skin color?

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Well you could certainly argue that there is no difference. To me it would depend on why you are being treated. If you're having eye surgery, then it's the same as making the request based on skin color. It's discriminatory. If you have a gynecological condition or need to be undressed in front of someone, I think it's a more reasonable request and it's not discriminatory in that way.

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Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers

What is the difference in request based on gender, but not on skin color?

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The same as you changing in the women's changeroom in front of women of all different skin colours, and not changing in the men's room.

So, if I"m at the hospital and I have a male physician checking me for pneumonia or flu complications for example, I can't request a female because it has nothing to do with my reproductive parts?