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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Should they call someone else in? Of course not. If there was no one else available, then he can make the decision of whether to accept who is there, or go somewhere else. But if there are other capable people who can be moved around, then I have no problem with it. I got frustrated with the nurse who couldn't place an IV in my arm in three tries and told her to go get someone else. Are you saying that I should have been discharged because I refused treatment? That's ridiculous. I wasn't refusing treatment, I was refusing to be treated BY HER, which is my legal right. The only reason race is an issue here is because the father said it was. It doesn't matter what his reason was, if she was wearing Mickey Mouse scrubs and he's boycotting Disney, he still has the right to request a different nurse and the hospital has an obligation to try to accomodate his request.

    They don't have an obligation to discriminate at someone's request, IMO. And yes, I asked a DR to leave my sons room after he told me he was not on a medication that he was, in fact, on. When there is a legitimate issue, for instance, poor care, such a request should be made. Do patients have the right to act entitled and do things like demand care change due to a color scrubs, or worse, a color of skin? No, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    Leaving someone untreated because they request (or demand) a change in care is ridiculous (and criminal) We all have to remain in charge or our bodies and the choices made about them at all times. I do think this dad was a douche bag, and that his parenting needs to be looked at closely, but we cannot take away a patients right to choose their path of care
    Someone choosing to go untreated by able capable help because they are a racist is their choice. We do NOT have the right to make choices about our bodies at all times. If you were unconscious and taken into a hospital you think that you are in charge of the color of the skin of the person treating you? Nyet. Its a cute first world entitlement theory, except that it doesn't always work that way. Again, you thinking that its criminal confuses me, they tried to treat him and he is refusing treatment. Again, what lengths does the hospital have to go to to accomidate racism in your world? Call in white Dr's for the racist patient? What then happens in a situation where a white nurse is not on shift, in your world where we are at all times in charge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Should they call someone else in? Of course not. If there was no one else available, then he can make the decision of whether to accept who is there, or go somewhere else. But if there are other capable people who can be moved around, then I have no problem with it. I got frustrated with the nurse who couldn't place an IV in my arm in three tries and told her to go get someone else. Are you saying that I should have been discharged because I refused treatment? That's ridiculous. I wasn't refusing treatment, I was refusing to be treated BY HER, which is my legal right. The only reason race is an issue here is because the father said it was. It doesn't matter what his reason was, if she was wearing Mickey Mouse scrubs and he's boycotting Disney, he still has the right to request a different nurse and the hospital has an obligation to try to accomodate his request.
    I disagree. The minute he said it was race, he put it on the table as the reason, and the hospital is under an obligation to protect its employees and not discriminate due to race. The hospital is at fault for discrimination.

    And I think if you have a complaint about how you are being treated, you do what you can, but how can hospitals be constantly shifting staff around because of someone's random request? It's one thing if there is a real issue but if I say "I don't like that person's jokes" I shouldn't be able to change who is assigned to what floors, rooms, and patients. How is a hospital supposed to function like that?
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    I can understand maybe the initial reaction just because they probably were a little confused about how to handle the circumstances. But once the hospital administration got involved they should have immediately told him that he could not request the race of the nurse, and if that is what he wanted he would need to find a different hospital. They followed these instructions for almost a month that no African-American nurse was to treat his child. That was unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Someone choosing to go untreated by able capable help because they are a racist is their choice. We do NOT have the right to make choices about our bodies at all times. If you were unconscious and taken into a hospital you think that you are in charge of the color of the skin of the person treating you? Nyet. Its a cute first world entitlement theory, except that it doesn't always work that way. Again, you thinking that its criminal confuses me, they tried to treat him and he is refusing treatment. Again, what lengths does the hospital have to go to to accomidate racism in your world? Call in white Dr's for the racist patient? What then happens in a situation where a white nurse is not on shift, in your world where we are at all times in charge?
    He didnt choose to go untreated, he made a request to have a different nurse. Very different in my opinion. If he had said "if that nurse touches my baby, I am out of here with the baby" then I would agree with you. When my sister was in labor she had a nurse that didnt wear deodorant, she requested a different nurse, the hospital refused.
    Again, I totally disagree with this guy's reasoning. But I do believe that if we are conscious then we should have a say in our care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    He didnt choose to go untreated, he made a request to have a different nurse. Very different in my opinion. If he had said "if that nurse touches my baby, I am out of here with the baby" then I would agree with you. When my sister was in labor she had a nurse that didnt wear deodorant, she requested a different nurse, the hospital refused.
    Again, I totally disagree with this guy's reasoning. But I do believe that if we are conscious then we should have a say in our care.
    But should you have a say in your care if it's racial discrimination? Doesn't the hospital have better things to do than move people around because of someone's racism? Why should they be required to discriminate because someone asks them to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    But should you have a say in your care if it's racial discrimination?
    IMO yes, you have a right to request a different nurse/doctor for any reason. The hospital also has the right to say no, that there is no one else at this time or that that can not accommodate at that time, but you should always have the right to request someone else. Understand, I think that is a horrible reason to not want someone as your nurse, but if you are paying half a million dollars to have your baby in the NICU, you should be able to ask for someone that you are comfortable with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    IMO yes, you have a right to request a different nurse/doctor for any reason. The hospital also has the right to say no, that there is no one else at this time or that that can not accommodate at that time, but you should always have the right to request someone else. Understand, I think that is a horrible reason to not want someone as your nurse, but if you are paying half a million dollars to have your baby in the NICU, you should be able to ask for someone that you are comfortable with.
    In this case they should have no, like they eventually did. They should have told him if he could find another hospital that would accomodate his request that they would do everything in their power to transfer the baby safely to that location. At that point he would probably have realized that no hospital would comply with that request and backed down. And if not and he did find another hospital that would do that more power to him transfer the baby at his expense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    IMO yes, you have a right to request a different nurse/doctor for any reason. The hospital also has the right to say no, that there is no one else at this time or that that can not accommodate at that time, but you should always have the right to request someone else. Understand, I think that is a horrible reason to not want someone as your nurse, but if you are paying half a million dollars to have your baby in the NICU, you should be able to ask for someone that you are comfortable with.

    And this attitude is a huge reason for multiple problems in our country. When we start saying "when you are lucky enough to have insurance paying for your child to be taken care of by world class Dr's in a world class hospital you should be GRATEFUL for qualified care instead of indulging every racist or otherwise ridiculous request by every entitled parent" perhaps things will get a little more balanced in this country. Sorry, but just because octomom chose to stuff her uterus full of babies who need NICU care or people who chronically deliver preemies and choose to keep having them get extended NICU stays the idea that you somehow get to handpick the care you get 100% of the time is nothing short of bratty.

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    Having a baby in the NICU is an extremely difficult time. Emotions are fried. Now, I think not wanting a nurse because they are not white is terrible. That said, your NICU nurse is the one who decides if and when you can touch your baby, the one who decides if you can see your baby, the one who is caring for your baby. If that person makes you uncomfortable or you have a personality conflict you need to be able to request someone else. It does not matter what the reason is you are uncomfortable, you need to have a good relationship and the nurse needs to be able to have a good relationship with you. The nurse also has to be comfortable with the family of the patient. When Caitlyn was in the NICU we brought all of the nurses a big bag of candy. You want your child to be the child that the nurses are all going above and beyond to make sure is ok. I am sure no professional nurse would give inferior care knowingly, but subconsciously after it is well known that the parents of that baby are raciest and requested to have a different nurse, subconsciously that baby might not get the same care through no fault of the baby.

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