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    I think what Bonita means is that Evolution and things like that take just as much faith as believing that God created the world. Those who believe in Evolution are just putting their faith into scientists instead. Faith is believing in something that is not seen or proven to exist, and Evolution falls into that category. There are huge holes in the theory that all life originated from a single cell, and those that believe that theory are putting their faith into scientists that cannot prove that happened. So it may not be a religion, but it is a belief in something other than God, not just an absence of belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I think what Bonita means is that Evolution and things like that take just as much faith as believing that God created the world. Those who believe in Evolution are just putting their faith into scientists instead. Faith is believing in something that is not seen or proven to exist, and Evolution falls into that category. There are huge holes in the theory that all life originated from a single cell, and those that believe that theory are putting their faith into scientists that cannot prove that happened. So it may not be a religion, but it is a belief in something other than God, not just an absence of belief.
    Science is based on the idea that the worldy evidence exists and is obtainable for us to explain the universe...even if we have not perfectly obtained it yet. Religious faith relies on the acceptance of the unexplainable, an acceptance that there is no sufficient worldy proof, it relies on eventually accepting without definitive proof.

    We accept as a society that the former is taught in public schools, and the latter is not. Evolution falls into the former, Creationism falls into the latter. Whether you think evolution has holes in it or not really does not matter when it comes to education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I think what Bonita means is that Evolution and things like that take just as much faith as believing that God created the world. Those who believe in Evolution are just putting their faith into scientists instead. Faith is believing in something that is not seen or proven to exist, and Evolution falls into that category. There are huge holes in the theory that all life originated from a single cell, and those that believe that theory are putting their faith into scientists that cannot prove that happened. So it may not be a religion, but it is a belief in something other than God, not just an absence of belief.
    I don't think evolution and atheism are the same thing.

    I suppose any fact that I'm not equipped to prove myself requires faith (in science, physics, etc.). But I don't see believing in science as part of atheism, or contradictory to religion.
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    Yes, science is definitely not contradictory to religion in general...its only contradictory to some religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    I don't think evolution and atheism are the same thing.

    I suppose any fact that I'm not equipped to prove myself requires faith (in science, physics, etc.). But I don't see believing in science as part of atheism, or contradictory to religion.

    I know that they are not the same thing, as I know that some Atheists believe in Intelligent Design. But there is an association between the two because when someone says they are an Atheist you can usually assume that they believe in Evolution and that the universe was formed by a big explosion or something. They have some kind of belief system it's not just an absence of belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I know that they are not the same thing, as I know that some Atheists believe in Intelligent Design. But there is an association between the two because when someone says they are an Atheist you can usually assume that they believe in Evolution and that the universe was formed by a big explosion or something. They have some kind of belief system it's not just an absence of belief.
    Intelligent Design contradicts atheism.

    So you're saying that believing in science is an atheist's belief system? That doesn't really make sense....many religious people (most in fact) also believe in science. Where do you start drawing lines? Evolution? Gravity? Physics?
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    I don't "believe" in evolution. I support the scientific fact of it as I have been given examples that support evolution.

    I believe in God but I have no concrete examples to show you why "He" exists. It's my faith, my thoughts. I have spiritual examples to give but nothing tangible.

    That's the difference.
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    as I know that some Atheists believe in Intelligent Design.
    Do you mean like...they call themselves Atheists but they're actually not?

    Atheists ....no god, no deity

    Intelligent Design....there is a god

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    I believe that many moons ago on this board someone posted a thing where a well known atheist (I'm pretty sure it was Richard Dawkins) was saying that it's possible that the earth was "seeded" by aliens and used that to "prove" that atheists also sometimes believe in intelligent design. Something from a Ben Stein documentary that was taken out of context where Ben Stein asked the atheist (the more I think about it, the more I'm sure it was RD) if there was any possible way that ID could be true, and he speculated that he supposed it's theoretically possible that aliens did it, and therefore all of the ID people went on a kick saying that even Richard Dawkins says that ID could be true (even though of course anyone who has read his books knows this is NOT what he believes, but context is hard I guess.)
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    Back to the debate, believing in evolution does not take faith. I believe in evolution because the evidence overwhelmingly supports it. But if there comes a day that something is discovered that turns the theory of evolution on it's head, then I will stop believing in evolution and believe whatever theory is a better fit for the evidence. That's how science works. People often get science and religion confused for some reason, but they are very different. Creationism is not science. The theory of evolution is not a religion. Those words are not interchangeable.
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