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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I believe that many moons ago on this board someone posted a thing where a well known atheist (I'm pretty sure it was Richard Dawkins) was saying that it's possible that the earth was "seeded" by aliens and used that to "prove" that atheists also sometimes believe in intelligent design. Something from a Ben Stein documentary that was taken out of context where Ben Stein asked the atheist (the more I think about it, the more I'm sure it was RD) if there was any possible way that ID could be true, and he speculated that he supposed it's theoretically possible that aliens did it, and therefore all of the ID people went on a kick saying that even Richard Dawkins says that ID could be true (even though of course anyone who has read his books knows this is NOT what he believes, but context is hard I guess.)

    So we should go over the difference between Aliens and God too....interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post

    Atheism = white; absence of color
    God = color; all colors. Red, yellow, green, orange, purple, blue, pink, lavender, mauve, chartreuse, brown, tan, gray, silver, gold, peach, tangerine...the list goes on and on forever.
    If you look in a crayon box, there is still going to be a white crayon. There is not a little whole where you say there the "white" is. There is still something there. Atheism is still a religion. It might be different than other religions, but it is still a religion. It is not entitled to special privileges because it is politicly correct to some people.

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    I agree when it comes to school, it is no more appropriate to tell kids there is no god as fact as it would be to say there is one.

    But this really has nothing to do with science at all. Actually thats the whole point I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If you look in a crayon box, there is still going to be a white crayon. There is not a little whole where you say there the "white" is. There is still something there. Atheism is still a religion. It might be different than other religions, but it is still a religion. It is not entitled to special privileges because it is politicly correct to some people.
    It's not a religion. It's just not. That doesn't mean that atheist teachers should be trying to convince their students to be atheists - you're right that it shouldn't get "special treatment" in that regard. Teachers just shouldn't be influencing kids to believe or not believe in god at school - that is not neccessary and not their place. But atheism is still not a religion.

    How did we get from an actual Christian at an actual school calling an actual student's actual religion "stupid" to twisting it around to the Bad Guy Atheists supposedly being allowed to just do whatever they want? The teacher was a Christian, the student was a Buddhist, atheism was never even mentioned. Like, how are we the villain of every story?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post

    How did we get from an actual Christian at an actual school calling an actual student's actual religion "stupid" to twisting it around to the Bad Guy Atheists supposedly being allowed to just do whatever they want? The teacher was a Christian, the student was a Buddhist, atheism was never even mentioned. Like, how are we the villain of every story?
    It said that it was fine that teachers were not allowed to mock other religions as long as Atheists were included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    It said that it was fine that teachers were not allowed to mock other religions as long as Atheists were included.
    I don't think anyone has argued that atheists should be allowed to mock their students' religions. It's just funny (and telling) that that is the inevitable place this conversation goes - lets not talk about the institutionalized discrimination being displayed against non-Christians in schools in the US. Let's talk about the Big Bad Atheists and how Christians are the real victims once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't think anyone has argued that atheists should be allowed to mock their students' religions. It's just funny (and telling) that that is the inevitable place this conversation goes - lets not talk about the institutionalized discrimination being displayed against non-Christians in schools in the US. Let's talk about the Big Bad Atheists and how Christians are the real victims once again.
    I think it is horrible that this happened and this kid was ridiculed for his religion. But the exact same thing DOES happen to Christians. I think it is horrible no matter who it happens to.

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    I don't have much time, I just wanted to point out that according to the first article, the assignment was to talk about a CHRISTMAS tradition. Very biased against Christians, obvs. And I'm sure that teacher just HAD to have been an atheist. The article said that, right? And this atheist dude told her that her religion was "stupid" right? Or no? I didn't see that. I saw where maybe they don't have a good comfort level with kids talking about their religion in class (which I agree, does not fall in line with many SC rulings) not that she was mocked or told that her religion was "stupid."

    I'll try to comment more later, but my point still stands that we were debating something that a Christian did to a non-Christian and immediately the debate immediately changes to "let's not talk about that anymore, let's talk about atheists." (Subtext: Atheists = the WORST.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    I don't have much time, I just wanted to point out that according to the first article, the assignment was to talk about a CHRISTMAS tradition. Very biased against Christians, obvs. And I'm sure that teacher just HAD to have been an atheist. The article said that, right? And this atheist dude told her that her religion was "stupid" right? Or no? I didn't see that. I saw where maybe they don't have a good comfort level with kids talking about their religion in class (which I agree, does not fall in line with many SC rulings) not that she was mocked or told that her religion was "stupid."

    I'll try to comment more later, but my point still stands that we were debating something that a Christian did to a non-Christian and immediately the debate immediately changes to "let's not talk about that anymore, let's talk about atheists." (Subtext: Atheists = the WORST.)
    I didn't say anything about it being Atheists, just that it happens to Christians too. I think it is more people trying to go overboard to be politically correct than anything. I don't think those girls felt any less embarrassed or singled out just because they didn't actually use the word stupid. I would argue that since there are more Christians it probably happens to Christians more. That doesn't make it any more acceptable for it to happen to this Buddhist. But I also don't think it's ok to say it's not a big deal for it to happen to a Christian child just because they are the majority. It is wrong no matter who it happens to.
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