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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    For full time employees yes (and I'm including benefits in on this).
    If that became a requirement I believe that Walmart would then just not have full time employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Maybe part of the problem is that our standard of living has increased more than the wages can support. It wasn't that long ago that families lived together under one roof and shared housing and expenses. Everyone didn't have their own house and cable and internet and cell phones. Now that standard of living is expected and people feel they are entitled to those standards and expect the government to make up the difference if they can't afford to live that way.
    My grandparents had a lower cost of living and a higher pay per that cost of living than my husband and I do. My grandfather dropped out of hs for the war and my grandmother only went to HS. Basic standards of living haven't changed. We're not talking houses, cable and internet and cell phones. We are talking pay to afford basic rent and food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If Walmart more than doubled their employee pay (In some cases tripled), but kept their prices the same to stay competitive, you think they would be able to stay afloat?
    Well, it's worked for In-N-Out. They have always been known for their higher wages than other fast food restaurants. Their prices are competitive. The quality of their food is competitive.

    I do almost all of my grocery shopping at a union store. It's amazing that once you earn your reputation for being cheaper, people believe it no matter what. I am quite savvy in getting good deals and such. I know my favorite peanut butter is $3.74 at Target, $4.99 at my grocery store, and WalMart doesn't carry it. When it goes on sale at my grocery store, it is buy-one-get-one free or 2 for $6. Much cheaper than Target. They have such amazing sales that I save way more money shopping there for stuff on sale, than I would at Walmart. One thing I have noticed is the cereal is always cheaper at the store. They constantly have coupons bringing the varieties we like down to $1.66 per box. I haven't seen anywhere close to that at either Target or Walmart. If Walmart really was cheaper than all the union grocery stores, things like the grocery game and shows like Extreme Couponing would be pointless.

    The other thing with Walmart is that they are misleading. Not everything is the same and the larger size isn't always the best value. Nor is the generic brand. Also, their generic brand of some items are not vegetarian whereas the name brand is.

    At my grocery store they have (I think) 12 check-out lanes. The only time it is more than 3 deep is Fridays at 3:30. Otherwise, it's quick and convenient. At Walmart there are...I don't know...30 lanes or so. Yet only a handful will be open and the lines are 6 deep.

    I don't think I am paying that much more overall by shopping at my grocery store instead of Walmart. When you factor in the value of my time, I'm happier paying a little more. Trips to Walmart (and Costco) raise my stress and anxiety level whereas Target, Sam's, and my grocery store are actually quite pleasant. That alone is worth the (sometimes) higher prices.

    The chain I shop at has actually been around longer than Walmart. They must be doing something right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If that became a requirement I believe that Walmart would then just not have full time employees.
    So then you agree that a good business plan is:

    1. Hire associates and only part time so lack of full time work becomes unavailable.
    2. Do not pay a living wage or benefits and force people to take 2-3 more low paying full time jobs and and need gov't assistance.
    3. Reap a gigantic profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Maybe part of the problem is that our standard of living has increased more than the wages can support. It wasn't that long ago that families lived together under one roof and shared housing and expenses. Everyone didn't have their own house and cable and internet and cell phones. Now that standard of living is expected and people feel they are entitled to those standards and expect the government to make up the difference if they can't afford to live that way.
    Well, as I said, when I looked at the amounts they were budgeting in my area, they were quite frugal. It's true that two parents contributing would be bringing in more money which would help, but a) it wasn't that long ago that people lived comfortably on one person's income, and it's well documented how the income disparity issue plays into that, and b) I would hardly call being a single parent a "luxury."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    If that became a requirement I believe that Walmart would then just not have full time employees.
    Do they anyway? I know when I worked at Target only a handful were full time. Maybe 15 "part-time" to 1 full time. Same thing with MM. In our department, there were 7 that were considered full time. Not sure on the other numbers...maybe 100 during the peak months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    So then you agree that a good business plan is:

    1. Hire associates and only part time so lack of full time work becomes unavailable.
    2. Do not pay a living wage or benefits and force people to take 2-3 more low paying full time jobs and and need gov't assistance.
    3. Reap a gigantic profit.
    The goal of most business is to make a profit. Not to become the replacement of Welfare. It is a businesses responsibility to pay at least minimum wage. Now if a company wants to attract the most skilled and talented employee they will pay a higher wage. Sure it would be nice if all jobs paid a good living wage, but all that would do is inflate costs. That would be like saying Everyone should have more money, so lets pass out free $100 bills to everyone. All that would do is decrease the value of the $100 bill. The better option would be to create more good paying jobs that are not retail.

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    I agree with EW that I shop at a local grocery store known for their low prices. I typically pay much less per item than I do for the same item at Walmart and do not find them to be a very good deal at all. PLus I get agitated in there...not sure if colors, lights who knows. And I HATE that there is about 4 registers dealing with 750 people. Gross.

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    I think you are missing the point that we are trying to make (I say "we" bc Alissa and Jessica did a great job capturing what I was talking about.)

    Nobody is saying that the government should mandate that WalMart pay their employees more. What we are saying is that we should be educated consumers and demand with our collective buying power what company policies work in the open market.

    I personally will not shop at Wal-Mart. I avoid it. I make enough money that I have the luxury of making that choice. I get that my relatives who live off of social security and WIC and SNAP don't have that "luxury"-- but I vote with my dollar. I understand that either WalMart or Target or Costco actually pays a living wage or **I** as a taxpayer end of paying for it out of my check.

    This article accurately captures what we are trying to convey. It explains why Whole Foods pays their employees more than they have to, and why it is working for their company.

    Whole Foods CEO: Here

    I just think it is amazing how corporate America has duped people into thinking that paying people crap for their services is better than a living wage. And that those arguing in favor of this crap pay are people who are making the crap pay. It seriously astounds me.

    Either they pay people a living wage out of their ridiculous profits ($15B. BILLION. Do you get how much money that is?) Walmart employs $1.4M people. They could give each of their $1.4M employees a $10K bonus and still make $1B profit. I have a hard time defending their crap wages (1,400,000 * 10,000 = $14B).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Do they anyway? I know when I worked at Target only a handful were full time. Maybe 15 "part-time" to 1 full time. Same thing with MM. In our department, there were 7 that were considered full time. Not sure on the other numbers...maybe 100 during the peak months.
    I do not think many people work there full time, that is why it does not make sense to me to only have that requirement for full time employees.
    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    I think you are missing the point that we are trying to make (I say "we" bc Alissa and Jessica did a great job capturing what I was talking about.)

    Nobody is saying that the government should mandate that WalMart pay their employees more. What we are saying is that we should be educated consumers and demand with our collective buying power what company policies work in the open market.

    I personally will not shop at Wal-Mart. I avoid it. I make enough money that I have the luxury of making that choice. I get that my relatives who live off of social security and WIC and SNAP don't have that "luxury"-- but I vote with my dollar. I understand that either WalMart or Target or Costco actually pays a living wage or **I** as a taxpayer end of paying for it out of my check.

    This article accurately captures what we are trying to convey. It explains why Whole Foods pays their employees more than they have to, and why it is working for their company.

    Whole Foods CEO: Here

    I just think it is amazing how corporate America has duped people into thinking that paying people crap for their services is better than a living wage. And that those arguing in favor of this crap pay are people who are making the crap pay. It seriously astounds me.

    Either they pay people a living wage out of their ridiculous profits ($15B. BILLION. Do you get how much money that is?) Walmart employs $1.4M people. They could give each of their $1.4M employees a $10K bonus and still make $1B profit. I have a hard time defending their crap wages (1,400,000 * 10,000 = $14B).
    My understanding was the original point of this debate was about unions and that employers should be forced to pay their employees more. I do agree that Walmart is not always the cheapest and I do not do my grocery shopping there. I do get other non food necessities there and items that are not at the stores I shop at. I get most of my food items at Aldies.

    ~Bonita~

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