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    Duck Dynasty family, GOP defend Phil Robertson - chicagotribune.com

    Was A&E right to suspend him? Is this a First Amendment issue? Any other thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
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    Duck Dynasty family, GOP defend Phil Robertson - chicagotribune.com

    Was A&E right to suspend him? Is this a First Amendment issue? Any other thoughts?
    Of course it's not a first amendment issue. He can say whatever he wants. That doesn't mean it's without consequences.

    The Dixie Chicks' Travelin' Soldier was number 1 on the country charts the week she made her infamous comments. The next week it dropped to number 3; then disappeared from the charts the following week right along with their career.

    Freedom of speech essentially means he won't be censored by the government or have other legal consequences from the government. He didn't. His employer dropped him. The same thing would happen to me.

    It doesn't really matter if they were right to fire him or not. It was their right to do so and they exercised their rights.

    Now, if I were in the same position, yeah, I would make the same decision. I wouldn't want them representing.

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    ITA with EthanWinfield. The family says, "We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right." No, it was because the network doesn't want to employ a known bigot which is its right, and I'd even say its responsibility as a good corporate citizen. Mr. Robertson has the right to have his own religious beliefs; he doesn't have the right to share them in public without some kind of consequence. I'm waiting for the day when the firing of a hateful bigot does NOT result in people jumping to his or her defense, but sadly it probably won't be in my lifetime.
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    I agree that I don't think that it's a First Amendment issue. You have a right to air your opinions without having the government kick in your door and arrest you. That doesn't mean that there are (or even should be) zero social consequences for airing your opinions. I considered also whether this would be protected under the anti-discrimination laws that say that people cannot be fired for their religion, but I don't think that can be argued either. He wasn't fired for "coming out" as a Christian, which would entail a pro-Christian message such as "I am a Christian and I accept Jesus as my lord and savior." He was fired for saying something that is "anti" someone else - to me, those are two very different things, and being "anti" other groups of people is not protected under the anti-discrimination laws. I totally understand why A&E does not feel that he is a good representative of their company, and think that they were within their rights to fire him, just as the people that are now threatening to boycott A&E are within their rights to boycott A&E (but are you REALLY not going to watch Walking Dead when it comes back on? Come on people, be realistic here! LOL) So, I think everyone has acted within their rights.

    Having said all that, I am feeling very "Love the sinner; hate the sin" this Solstice season. As much as I dislike naked homophobia, I can't help but conclude that heaping more disdain on homophobes doesn't seem to be changing their mind and heal what is broken inside them. Perhaps we can love them well instead? Maybe even have therapy sessions to convert them from being homophobes into normal loving people?
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    A&E can hire/fire whoever they want to. However, the very thing they are trying to promote - tolerance - they are not. I know a lot of people that watch Duck Dynasty. I also know of a lot of people who are now going to boycott the show. My take home of the whole issue is that I wish there was a way on FB to block all posts of a certain topic so I did not have to see all of the posts about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    A&E can hire/fire whoever they want to. However, the very thing they are trying to promote - tolerance - they are not. I know a lot of people that watch Duck Dynasty. I also know of a lot of people who are now going to boycott the show. My take home of the whole issue is that I wish there was a way on FB to block all posts of a certain topic so I did not have to see all of the posts about it.
    I cannot promote tolerance of some of those comments he "stands behind."

    I'm adding this to my list of excuses I am tired of hearing. Things don't change if we continue to just "tolerate" others lest we be called intolerant.

    So call me intolerant; I don't care. I'm not going to defend or support people who hate on others. I'll defend their right to say what they want with the caveat that consequences can sometimes be a real bi.tch.
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    Of course he had every right to say what he said.

    A&E had every right to distance themselves in order to support any views they want to support.
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    I just totally blew up my own facebook with a comment about how I am tired of all the support memes I keep seeing for this guy, that he should be held accountable for his horrible comments and that it is not a free speech issue. It is not like me to make comments like that and start ****, but this totally ticked me off. Not so much cause he said it, but that so many people are getting behind him without really understanding the situation. Anyways, I think I may have been defriended by a couple people :/
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    I always think the tolerance argument is silly. If not being willing to look the other way when people are bullying an oppressed minority makes me "intolerant" then I'll wear that badge proudly.
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    “I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
    This parts seems to keep getting lost, or maybe just left out, of all the memes on my facebook.

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