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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behavior is a ‘Hate Crime’ | Christian News Network
    CULTURE NEWS: Supremes Rule Bible as 'Hate Speech' in Canada

    You can not tell me that if something happens in Canada and is normal and accepted in Canada that it could never happen in the US. The only way to keep it from happening in the US is to fight for it to not be that way.
    I agree that we must always be vigilant about protecting free speech. But it is not normal and accepted in Canada that biblical speech opposing homosexual behavior is a hate crime. The case is about a man who distributed literature, unsolicited, saying all kinds of horrible things about gay people, quoting the worst he could find in the Bible, and only two of the several pamphlets he distributed fell under the ruling.

    “[Whatcott's] expression portrays the targeted group as a menace that could threaten the safety and well-being of others, makes reference to respected sources (in this case the Bible) to lend credibility to the negative generalizations, and uses vilifying and derogatory representations to create a tone of hatred,” the panel ruled on Wednesday.
    And don't worry about Canada -- Canada legalized gay marriage, nationally, in 2003, with no fuss.

    Anyway, that particular law in Canada has no jurisdiction over what is preached in churches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Guess we were right Laurie. I figured it wouldn't take long for them to change their minds, I didn't really expect it this fast though. I love the way they make it kind of sound like an apology because they regret people misinterpreted his beliefs.



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    Yep. We called it!

    Adding that this is what they should have done FIRST. Duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behavior is a ?Hate Crime? | Christian News Network
    CULTURE NEWS: Supremes Rule Bible as 'Hate Speech' in Canada

    You can not tell me that if something happens in Canada and is normal and accepted in Canada that it could never happen in the US. The only way to keep it from happening in the US is to fight for it to not be that way.
    Hey, while you are at it, do you think you could get the US to lift the ban on Kinder Eggs? Maybe get rid of the death penalty too? But a big no to the metric system and Justin Beiber. Damn Candians.

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    There is a store near my house that sells Kinder Eggs. Sssshhhhhhh!
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    Sorry!!! Its way too easy to accidentally lock threads when I post from my phone. Who left this klutz in charge anyway?!? Carry on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    Gay people do not want to label the Bible a hate book, or limit anyone's rights. I agree that it's a fear, but it's not a legitimate one; it's based on paranoia, the same paranoia that assumes that gay people are looking to convert heterosexuals. It's not logical and it's not real. What are these rights you think gay people want to stop others from having?

    I don't believe for one second that it would be "live and let live"...all gay people want is the same rights you & I have.
    The Bible is not a "live and let live" book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    The Bible is not a "live and let live" book.
    I was responding to Bonita, who said that if the gay activists weren't trying so hard to take away the rights of Christians, then Christians would be more "live and let live" about them and not so worried about them having equal rights, or something like that.
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    OK Laurie - I will quote something from the first page then -

    The Bible doesn't change based on Public Opinion -
    Meaning - it doesn't matter if society believes that the followers of the Bible are "bigots" or "hateful" or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    ITA with EthanWinfield. The family says, "We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right." No, it was because the network doesn't want to employ a known bigot which is its right, and I'd even say its responsibility as a good corporate citizen. Mr. Robertson has the right to have his own religious beliefs; he doesn't have the right to share them in public without some kind of consequence. I'm waiting for the day when the firing of a hateful bigot does NOT result in people jumping to his or her defense, but sadly it probably won't be in my lifetime.
    ETA- it doesn't matter if you were responding to Bonita or not.. my comment still carries just as much weight.. you ignored the claim because you do not want to respond to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Of course it's not a first amendment issue. He can say whatever he wants. That doesn't mean it's without consequences.

    The Dixie Chicks' Travelin' Soldier was number 1 on the country charts the week she made her infamous comments. The next week it dropped to number 3; then disappeared from the charts the following week right along with their career.

    Freedom of speech essentially means he won't be censored by the government or have other legal consequences from the government. He didn't. His employer dropped him. The same thing would happen to me.

    It doesn't really matter if they were right to fire him or not. It was their right to do so and they exercised their rights.

    Now, if I were in the same position, yeah, I would make the same decision. I wouldn't want them representing.
    Yes - My questions were NOT answered.. so from the front page this! - In most states it is illegal to disparage someone based on their religious views.. let along fire someone.. And YES it was said FIRE on the front page.. and then someone changed the definition later that is a logical fallacy.. does anyone want me to point out all the logical fallacies my opposing debaters have made in this debate thus far? or do you want to back up at least this Claim..
    Is it legal to fire someone for religious views?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Yes - My questions were NOT answered.. so from the front page this! - In most states it is illegal to disparage someone based on their religious views.. let along fire someone.. And YES it was said FIRE on the front page.. and then someone changed the definition later that is a logical fallacy.. does anyone want me to point out all the logical fallacies my opposing debaters have made in this debate thus far? or do you want to back up at least this Claim..
    Is it legal to fire someone for religious views?
    1. That's not what happened in this case. His religious views were never the problem. As someone else pointed out, if this was about his beliefs they wouldn't have hired him in the first place.

    2. It can be legal to fire someone for their relgious views depending on the situation. If I took a teaching job at a Catholic school and they later found out that my religious views were not what I presented them to be, yeah, they could fire me.

    Likewise, if I hide behind my "religious" views as a way of harrassing my co-workers, than yeah. It's not my religious views that are getting me fired; it's my actions based on those views.


    Somewhat OT:
    I had a teacher in 5th grade (public school) who was very much pro-life. This came as no surprise to anyone - she attended rallies, had her picutre in the paper praying for the unborn. None of this is a problem on any level. However, she started asking us students what year we were born. Those who said before 1973 she said were "safe." She asked those who said they were born after 1973, "Do you know your mothers could have legally chosen to kill you?" Yeah, no one cared about her religious beliefs untill it crossed the line with her job as a public school teacher. See the difference?

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