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    Ryan Dunn‘s untimely death yesterday has come as a shock to many. He was involved in a fatal car crash, along with his passenger, after losing control of his Porsche 911 that resulted in a horrible accident. What everyone’s talking about now is how Ryan was drinking before the crash and reports conflict as to how much was alcohol was consumed. Dunn posed for pictures outside the bar he was drinking at with friends, and he did look quite flushed. Reports confirm that he has at least three beers and three shots while there. The autopsy’s currently underway to see whether booze had anything to do with crash or not, but either way, the internet’s already buzzing with both condolences and debate.

    One controversy that’s brewing at the moment is due to a tweet by caustic critic Roger Ebert who wrote, “Friends don’t let jackasses drink and drive. The backlash from the comment has been tremendous and none more so than from Dunn’s friend and co-star Bam Margera who tweeted in return, “I just lost my best friend, I have been crying hysterical for a full day and piece of s—t roger ebert has the gall to put in his 2 cents”. Bam followed up with another tweet that raged, “About a jackass drunk driving and his is one, f—k you! Millions of people are crying right now, shut your fat f—ing mouth!”

    Ebert’s been silent since then tweeting about other subjects. The only time he touched upon the subject again was when PerezHilton went at him in a post that read, “We certainly agree that driving after drinking is wrong, we think there’s no reason – especially RIGHT NOW – that anyone should be pointing fingers or poking fun at a truly tragic situation. Everyone makes mistake, and this is somebody’s son. Too soon, Roger.” Not that it’s affected Ebert who wrote back with, “Perez Hilton’s readers agree with me and not with Perez about my tweet on Ryan Dunn. He drank, he drove, 2 people died.” And that’s all he’s willing to say. We aren’t fans of Ebert, FYI. We are completely against drinking and driving (and have lost friends because of it), but the fact is that there’s a time and a place to discuss things. Sounding like a jackass right after someone has passed away, isn’t the way to go. R.I.P Ryan.
    Do you agree with the bolded? Does it matter that toxicology reports have not yet come back, and that Ebert was only posting/condemning on the assumption of drunkenness? Should it not be mentioned out of "respect" or is the wake of a accident of this nature the BEST time to address issues of the dangers of drinking and driving and speeding?

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    It is interesting to think about it. My gut reaction is that Ebert's comments were wrong. It was too harsh and disrespectful considering the man has just died.

    At the same time though, had Dunn been some nobody that no one ever heard of who drove drunk, killing his passenger and himself...i think people would be very quick to call him a literal jackass and show very little sympathy or respect in their comments. Of course then again, the comments would be from other nobodies, not from Ebert.

    I do think the right thing to do is to remain respectful of the deceased....but I don't really think we should come down any harder on Ebert than we would on some random guys comments in a less media frenzied drunk driving incident.

    I don't think its wrong to point out the dangers of drinking in driving soon after a tragedy like this happens. It would be better to be done with some respect and serious voice.

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    You know what they say about assuming! And another one about opinions and a$$holes seems to apply here.

    I'm a big fan of having facts (if available) before I run my mouth about anything and I usually expect the same of other people so I think it was a little prematurely said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    I don't think its wrong to point out the dangers of drinking in driving soon after a tragedy like this happens. It would be better to be done with some respect and serious voice.
    This. I'm pretty sure alcohol was part of this accident and I really do feel for the people grieving because it's an accident that probably wouldn't have happened if someone had taken the keys away from him.

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    Like PP said, no-one really knows the facts. Although, going by the picture RD posted a few hours before do seem to tell a story.

    I think Ebert's comments are fair BUT - literally hours after these guys perished. That was not necessary one bit and he should be ashamed for that reason alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momW View Post
    You know what they say about assuming! And another one about opinions and a$$holes seems to apply here.

    I'm a big fan of having facts (if available) before I run my mouth about anything and I usually expect the same of other people so I think it was a little prematurely said.
    I have no doubt that the tox report will show that he was legally quite intoxicated and there will probably be several other illegal drugs in his system. Lets say that those results are released today, does that change your view and make Ebert's statements of yesterday okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I have no doubt that the tox report will show that he was legally quite intoxicated and there will probably be several other illegal drugs in his system. Lets say that those results are released today, does that change your view and make Ebert's statements of yesterday okay?
    I know that isn't aimed at me to answer, BUT, no. Does it heck make it ok. At the end of the day these 2 guys have family and friends that are grieving the loss of them and the last thing they should have to read or hear is people bad mouthing them. I am sure they would not agree with the action RD decided to take but it hadn't even been 24hrs after they'd passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minx_Kristi View Post
    I know that isn't aimed at me to answer, BUT, no. Does it heck make it ok. At the end of the day these 2 guys have family and friends that are grieving the loss of them and the last thing they should have to read or hear is people bad mouthing them. I am sure they would not agree with the action RD decided to take but it hadn't even been 24hrs after they'd passed.

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    What if we read about a drunk driving incident in the paper, where the actions of the driver caused the loss of life for another person..don't know who the guy is, just know what he did and what his name is...and someone here referred to the drunk driver as a jackass? I'm pretty certain I've seen this before. If not here, just in random conversation and no one says "Hey, you shouldn't say that." At least not usually. Drunk drivers are typically demonized very quickly.

    I'm not saying i agree with it. Just saying its a double standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I have no doubt that the tox report will show that he was legally quite intoxicated and there will probably be several other illegal drugs in his system. Lets say that those results are released today, does that change your view and make Ebert's statements of yesterday okay?
    Well, no. (there's a freaking elf swinging on my screen. um, have I just not had enough caffeine this morning or is this for real). I think it was an a$$hole thing to say and said prematurely, but there are a$$holes everywhere, in our lives and in Hollywood. It just is what it is. You don't like what he said, don't listen to him.

    And FTR, I have several pictures of myself where I'm mid blink and hot and someone takes the picture and I look like I'm drunk or stoned (I'm neither). I'm just not going to jump to that conclusion, especially if I'm famous and have to recant to that many people if it should come out that he wasn't drunk.

    I get the upset by his close friends and family, but I don't get the general public outrage about the comments. There's no doubt in my mind that someone in the general public (probably a few someone's) have said the exact same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KimPossible View Post
    What if we read about a drunk driving incident in the paper, where the actions of the driver caused the loss of life for another person..don't know who the guy is, just know what he did and what his name is...and someone here referred to the drunk driver as a jackass? I'm pretty certain I've seen this before. If not here, just in random conversation and no one says "Hey, you shouldn't say that." At least not usually. Drunk drivers are typically demonized very quickly.

    I'm not saying I agree with it. Just saying its a double standard.
    Well yes, if the guy caused someone else to die but is still alive himself then he is a total a$$wipe. If he died too, he's still an a$$wipe and yes I would probably say it to family or friends, but I wouldn't broadcast my thoughts online.

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