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    We should not limit the exercise of Religion unless it is overstepping someone elses right.. There is no right not to hear something. I think it is fine. I totally disagree with Satanism, but in our Nation we should be allowed the freedom to pray where we want, and to whom we want. I not only think students should be allowed to but also teachers, not sure why to have certain jobs you have to loose your rights.. Ok I do understand someone somewhere thinks that allowing a teacher to pray out loud is indoctrinating their child... don't you think it is equally indoctrinating NOT to allow it.. don't you think there is such thing as indoctrination by omission?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    We should not limit the exercise of Religion unless it is overstepping someone elses right.. There is no right not to hear something. I think it is fine. I totally disagree with Satanism, but in our Nation we should be allowed the freedom to pray where we want, and to whom we want. I not only think students should be allowed to but also teachers, not sure why to have certain jobs you have to loose your rights.. Ok I do understand someone somewhere thinks that allowing a teacher to pray out loud is indoctrinating their child... don't you think it is equally indoctrinating NOT to allow it.. don't you think there is such thing as indoctrination by omission?
    No I don't think there is such a thing as indoctrinating by omission. If they are not doing anything how are the indoctrinating anything to anyone?

    The issue was not whether it's ok to pray, but if it is ok for schools to lead a prayer (Did I misread this?). I could care less if Bob in room 294 is muttering a prayer to himself, but I do not want Mr. Bob, teacher in room 294 leading the kids in prayer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    No I don't think there is such a thing as indoctrinating by omission. If they are not doing anything how are the indoctrinating anything to anyone?
    I have heard this argument in opposite before. Would you be ok with a school not teaching any early science for fear of offending people who are offended by Evolution? (not saying I agree or not, but explaining how you can indoctrinate by omission.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    No I don't think there is such a thing as indoctrinating by omission. If they are not doing anything how are the indoctrinating anything to anyone?

    The issue was not whether it's ok to pray, but if it is ok for schools to lead a prayer (Did I misread this?). I could care less if Bob in room 294 is muttering a prayer to himself, but I do not want Mr. Bob, teacher in room 294 leading the kids in prayer.
    OF course you can indoctrinate by omission! If you never tell a child NOT to touch the hot stove, you are implying that it is ok to touch the stove. You are teaching them something by not saying anything. If all the teachers are seemingly void of religion, then it devalues religion. And thus you are indoctrinating children to think that they have no spirituality. It isn't important, it isn't there, we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist.
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    The phrase "offended by evolution" makes me giggle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I have heard this argument in opposite before. Would you be ok with a school not teaching any early science for fear of offending people who are offended by Evolution? (not saying I agree or not, but explaining how you can indoctrinate by omission.)
    No. Because evolution is a scientific, proven fact. People are offended by racism and the awful things that happened in the US because of it. We still teach about racism and slavery because these are actual real facts. I want my kids to learn hard honest facts, regardless of what I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    OF course you can indoctrinate by omission! If you never tell a child NOT to touch the hot stove, you are implying that it is ok to touch the stove. You are teaching them something by not saying anything. If all the teachers are seemingly void of religion, then it devalues religion. And thus you are indoctrinating children to think that they have no spirituality. It isn't important, it isn't there, we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist.
    They don't teach about birthday parties in school. Does that devalue them? Do they not think they exist?

    Not bringing up something at all doesn't devaulue it. It doesn't teach them there is no spirituality at all. It just teaches them that school is not the place for it, nor the place to learn about it.


    ETA: If school was the only place they ever were, THEN it would be teaching them that. Here, the kids leave school and go to their homes, and their churches or whatever. That is the place they learn about spirituality. There is no need to have it in school, just to prove it exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    OF course you can indoctrinate by omission! If you never tell a child NOT to touch the hot stove, you are implying that it is ok to touch the stove. You are teaching them something by not saying anything. If all the teachers are seemingly void of religion, then it devalues religion. And thus you are indoctrinating children to think that they have no spirituality. It isn't important, it isn't there, we don't talk about it, it doesn't exist.
    The problem with this is that it's not the teacher's or school's place to put value on any religion in the first place. Public schools should be a religion-free zone because no one is ever happy with someone else's religion. Keep them all out. Since Florida is unwilling to do that, then I'm happy the Satanists are planning to do their thing since everyone else gets to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    They don't teach about birthday parties in school. Does that devalue them? Do they not think they exist?

    Not bringing up something at all doesn't devaulue it. It doesn't teach them there is no spirituality at all. It just teaches them that school is not the place for it, nor the place to learn about it.


    ETA: If school was the only place they ever were, THEN it would be teaching them that. Here, the kids leave school and go to their homes, and their churches or whatever. That is the place they learn about spirituality. There is no need to have it in school, just to prove it exists.
    1- They don't teach about Birthday Parties? Most childrens readers have a Birthday Party topic in them, same with Christmas and Halloween. Also most schools allow children to bring cupcakes (store bought these days ) to school for birthdays. Not sure how it isn't taught about.

    2- If it doesn't devalue it, lets not teach math or reading either.
    Fact is the more you VALUE something the more you will teach about it. We want to teach our children the value of safe sex, we teach them about condoms and bcp. The more we value something the more we talk about it.

    3- Why is it then some schools will talk about other religions ie Islam, but not Christianity??? I think if we are teaching our children, then teach them, Why not teach about religion? Simple.. it isn't a value held by the school, and community at large... and thus our government.

    4-.. Children are in school or on their way to school (in "custody of the school") for about 8 hours a day... They are at school more than they are at home, not counting summers, which most children are in daycare, or camps and not at home because those same parents work full time. When do you think they have the time to learn and actually value what their parents value? When the percentage of time spent with family is less than that spent away, it is more difficult to impart to your child your values... SIMPLE MATHMATICS here. Not that you can't, not that your children won't grow up wonderful and be productive members of society, make you proud etc.. It is that it is simply harder... And why? Because of the TIME devoted to things.

    -- Not sure why you disagree with me on this, it is simple.
    -- I do understand why you want the schools to be religion free, but the fact remains by being religion free, they are not teaching religion. Ever hear about the fear of the unknown..? That is why some schools are teaching about Islam, so our "christian nation" is not scared of something they don't know and act irrationally.. same with the theory of sex ed, and on and on. Lets not talk about Race either. Lets not talk about gender preference.. Do you see my point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    The problem with this is that it's not the teacher's or school's place to put value on any religion in the first place. Public schools should be a religion-free zone because no one is ever happy with someone else's religion. Keep them all out. Since Florida is unwilling to do that, then I'm happy the Satanists are planning to do their thing since everyone else gets to.
    I disagree, it is their place. They are putting value on every other aspect of our children's lives. And they are putting a value on religion.. that of little to NO value.
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