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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    3- You don't understand.. not sure how much plainer I can get, our SCHOOLS value math and reading as part of our childrens education, they do not think religion has value enough to teach the child so it isn't taught. It used to be taught and valued, it isn't anymore. Separation of Church and State is NOT in the constitution.. maybe YOU need to reread it .
    Since when is the First Amendment not part of the Constitution?

    I don't think anyone is arguing that religion can't have value to some people. We're just saying it doesn't belong in a public school. If you value religion, you teach it to your children.
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    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    I believe she might mean (correct me if I am wrong) that the phrase "Separation of Church and State" does not appear in the Constitution.
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    The phrase "executive order" also doesn't appear in the Constitution but that doesn't mean the underlying concept isn't there, or that the phrase hasn't come into general use in the 230+ years since the Constitution was written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post

    I believe she might mean (correct me if I am wrong) that the phrase "Separation of Church and State" does not appear in the Constitution.
    Nor did I say it did. Anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    Amendment I

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    I believe she might mean (correct me if I am wrong) that the phrase "Separation of Church and State" does not appear in the Constitution.
    No, but the concept is certainly there.

    Anyway, I'm another that thinks that it is not the school's job to teach "the value of religion." I think you would have a valid complaint if schools were actively telling kids "Religion is NOT valuable." That would be a bad thing; public schools, as publically funded government institutions, are supposed to remain neutral on the whole religion thing. I also don't think that having teachers talk to your kids about religion is what you all really want anyway. Just from all of the ladies on this board that are Christian, many of you disagree about what seems like fairly basic stuff - Rivergallery thinks it's biblical to encourage people to hurt your enemies, Jessica80 disagrees, Jessica80 and Potter75 think that gay marriage and abortion should be legal, Gloria and Bonita and Rivergallery disagree, and so on....even if your teachers were all Christian, that doesn't mean that they'd be teaching the flavor of Christianity that you personally value - what a nightmare for the teachers to be expected to make all y'all happy on that front. And then you'll have teachers who *don't* value religion. My DH is a teacher, and he's a good one, judging by the comments from the kids, parents, and his fellow teachers and admin. We have been out in public several times when a parent has approached him to tell him how much their child enjoys his class, how he has made a difference in their education, et cetera. I think it's fair to say that for at least some small portion of the kids he teaches, he is influential. He's also a big old atheist - do you really want your kid's favorite teacher talking to them about why he thinks religion is a lie? Probably not, right? And you know what, you'd be right! It's not his place to tell your kids what they should believe in, or try to influence them into believing what he believes. His job is to teach them about literature and metaphors and how to write effectively. I bet you'd like him to just keep on doing that, right? Right.

    If you value religion, that's great. Be sure and tell your kids all about that, in your home, and in your church, and at family gatherings and whatnot. 'Cause school doesn't exist to tell them that. School has other things to do today.
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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
    It's one thing to say that they aren't going to teach religion, but it is another to say that students have to check their religion at the schoolhouse door. Students should be able to give whatever inspirational messages or prayers that they want to, even if they are Satanist prayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It's one thing to say that they aren't going to teach religion, but it is another to say that students have to check their religion at the schoolhouse door. Students should be able to give whatever inspirational messages or prayers that they want to, even if they are Satanist prayers.
    Yeah, I'm actually more surprised that this needed a law signed by Rick Scott. I actually thought that it was a given in most places that students (not teachers or admin, but students) were allowed to pray or do whatever as long as:

    a) they aren't being disruptive (like loudly praying when others are trying to take a test) and
    b) there isn't confusion about whether their actions are officially "school sanctioned." What I mean by that is I know that there have been questions before about whether (for example) cheerleaders are allowed to hold up religious banners at games while acting in their "official capacity" as cheerleaders. Are they representing the school at that point, in which case it wouldn't be allowed, or are they representing themselves, in which case it would?

    So I know there are grey areas like that, but for the most part I thought that students already had this right. Which I agree with, by the way, as long as they aren't being disruptive or being bullies about it (like singling other kids out to tell them they are going to hell, or whatever.) Christian, Atheist, Jewish, Buddhist, Satanist, I'm fine with kids practicing their religion (or lack there of) in school within reasonable perimeters.
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    I think it is this part. I know that there have been problems in the past with students praying at football games and things even it is done by a student.

    allow students to read inspirational messages of their choosing at assemblies and sporting events
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    I'm fine with kids praying at school, sporting events before the event. I'm fine with them inviting others to join if they want. I do not support a local clergy or the coach leading the prayer. I do not support it over the announcements in the morning.
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