School blocks girl from football--boys may have "impure thoughts"

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School blocks girl from football--boys may have "impure thoughts"

Madison Baxter may be just 12 years old, but she already knows her life?s passion: football.

The sport comes easy to Madison, who goes by the nickname Maddy. She?s 5 feet 5 inches tall, and as a defensive tackle, doesn?t shy away from hard hits.

In the last year, parents at Strong Rock Christian School in Locust Grove, Ga. became accustomed to seeing Maddy, with her curly hair in a French braid tucked under her helmet, charging at the opposing team on the football field. The crowd cheered when she sacked her first quarterback. Other coaches stopped her in the parking lot after games to say that she?d done a good job.

So when the school told Maddy?s mother last week that it would no longer allow her to play on the boys' football team, Maddy was shocked.

?I sat there in silence for 10 minutes just thinking,? Maddy told TODAY.com. ?I feel that it?s completely wrong.?

Read the rest of the story here: School blocks girl from football, says boys may have 'impure thoughts' - TODAY.com

Should girls be limited to "girls' sports" and boys to "boys' sports," or should anyone interested and good enough to make the team, be able to play on a school team when there are NOT separate teams for boys & girls?

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I think in general having separate sports teams allows for more access to playing. Girls and boys are built differently and play differently and that I'm fine with. However, if there is not a separate team for football for the girls than she should get to play and I really don't care if it causes impure thoughts. When do teenage boys not have impure thoughts? Smile

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Lucky for the school it isn't a public school! She still may have a case based on their reasoning though.

It's a Christian school kicking a girl off the team because the good Christian boys might have "lustful" thoughts and use foul language? Yet the golf, track and field, and tennis players don't? At that age, boys have impure thoughts in a girl is in his line of vision and foul language flies out of their mouths as much as "um" does.

I think there is more to it: she is taking a spot away from a boy.

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I mean, the impure thoughts thing is so dumb. If they had a more valid reason, like her safety, I might be more inclined to be okay with it. But then make her sign a waiver or something. If the girl can hang with the boys...I say go for it.

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I love her thinking: “I know that we’re growing up, but honestly wouldn’t those thoughts mainly be directed to the cheerleaders – not someone who is in full pads?”

I do get the safety aspect as the boys will grown and the size difference will change. I also see the need for a separate changing space. But impure thoughts? Really? Boys have those all the time regardless! Sure there was a way she could play and still be safe. This is ridiculous.

If there was a girls team she could join that would be different. But if they only offer a boys team then that is discriminatory.

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I don't buy the safety argument. Football is a game dominated by big men, true, but a smaller, faster player can often do well without getting hurt. Trindon Holliday, currently the shortest NFL player at 5'5" (the same as Maddy!) was originally a track star; he returned a kickoff 105 yards, partly because he had good blockers but mostly because no one could catch him! Maddy was also training to be a kicker because she knew that she couldn't be a defensive tackle in high school.

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The impure thoughts thing is just lame. Totally a cop out. I think girls should only be allowed to play non contact sports if they want to be on the boys team

My brother was a wrestler and a number of times he had to wrestle girls. It was always awful for him and the other boys. He was always concerned where he should grab them and how he should hold them. My dad always told him to pretend he was wrestling me and to pin them very quickly, which he did. But inevitably we would hear him apologizing after every match that he was sorry for hurting them. As an adult he has stated a few times that it was always hard when my parents stressed to him all the time not to hurt girls and then he had to wrestle them, very confusing. He also mentioned that the one kid on his team that didnt mind wrestling girls has been arrested 3 times now for domestic abuse.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

The impure thoughts thing is just lame. Totally a cop out. I think girls should only be allowed to play non contact sports if they want to be on the boys team

My brother was a wrestler and a number of times he had to wrestle girls. It was always awful for him and the other boys. He was always concerned where he should grab them and how he should hold them. My dad always told him to pretend he was wrestling me and to pin them very quickly, which he did. But inevitably we would hear him apologizing after every match that he was sorry for hurting them. As an adult he has stated a few times that it was always hard when my parents stressed to him all the time not to hurt girls and then he had to wrestle them, very confusing. He also mentioned that the one kid on his team that didnt mind wrestling girls has been arrested 3 times now for domestic abuse.

When it comes to public schools, they either have to have separate teams (girls wrestling & boys wrestling) or it's coed. Why should female wrestlers be penalized because the boys don't want to touch them yet the school only offers one team?

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"mom3girls" wrote:

The impure thoughts thing is just lame. Totally a cop out. I think girls should only be allowed to play non contact sports if they want to be on the boys team

My brother was a wrestler and a number of times he had to wrestle girls. It was always awful for him and the other boys. He was always concerned where he should grab them and how he should hold them. My dad always told him to pretend he was wrestling me and to pin them very quickly, which he did. But inevitably we would hear him apologizing after every match that he was sorry for hurting them. As an adult he has stated a few times that it was always hard when my parents stressed to him all the time not to hurt girls and then he had to wrestle them, very confusing. He also mentioned that the one kid on his team that didnt mind wrestling girls has been arrested 3 times now for domestic abuse.

Wait- your parents stressed not to hurt girls but he could hurt boys? Or hurting boys didn't bother him? Weird. I don't think that it's a logical conclusion that not minding wrestling girls makes you prone to domestic violence any more than saying wrestling/ hurting boys makes you more prone to violence/hurting men as an adult.

Anyway, obviously this is ridiculous. I played on the boys tennis team in HS and I support the right of girls to play a sport if they are qualified/make the team and there is no sport available to their gender - contact or no.

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"mom3girls" wrote:

The impure thoughts thing is just lame. Totally a cop out. I think girls should only be allowed to play non contact sports if they want to be on the boys team

My brother was a wrestler and a number of times he had to wrestle girls. It was always awful for him and the other boys. He was always concerned where he should grab them and how he should hold them. My dad always told him to pretend he was wrestling me and to pin them very quickly, which he did. But inevitably we would hear him apologizing after every match that he was sorry for hurting them. As an adult he has stated a few times that it was always hard when my parents stressed to him all the time not to hurt girls and then he had to wrestle them, very confusing. He also mentioned that the one kid on his team that didnt mind wrestling girls has been arrested 3 times now for domestic abuse.

I don't understand this logic at all. The point of wrestling is NOT to hurt the other person, it's to pin them, and a good wrestler should be able to do that without anyone getting hurt. ITA with Melis that it seems your parents and/or brother had mixed messages. We teach our kids, both of them, to not intentionally hurt anyone, ever. But we also teach them to give 110% to their sport and their team, and to always be respectful to their opponents. I would not be OK with my son wrestling because it was an excuse to hurt someone, and I wouldn't allow him to continue wrestling if he *did* hurt people.

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Obviously didnt explain that well. With wrestling there is the possibility of injury at all times. My dad was not encouraging him to hurt anyone. My parents, especially my dad, was very clear that men should never ever hurt a woman. In my brothers child mind he was constantly worried about that while wrestling with girls. He now knows as an adult that was not the situation my dad was speaking to when he talked about how to treat girls, but children can be very literal right now

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In fairness, I think that some sports (like football) feel inherently violent. My brother played nose guard for most of his football days because he was big and fast. His job was usually described as "murder the quarterback." Obviously no one wanted him to actually intentionally hurt someone for the sake of hurting them, but I feel like there was sort of an acceptance that football is a violent sport and if someone got hurt when he tackled them,that's just the risk they took playing the game. My brother was also taught specifically to never hit or hurt a girl, so I could see him feeling weird about tackling one.

Noneof that is an excuse to keep girls from playing football. His conflicted feelings are not her problem. I'm just saying I don't think that it means you are raising your kids to be boy hurting sociopaths if they are a little troubled by playing a violent sport against a girl when they've been encouraged to play hard against boys but also never hit girls for their whole life.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

In fairness, I think that some sports (like football) feel inherently violent. My brother played nose guard for most of his football days because he was big and fast. His job was usually described as "murder the quarterback." Obviously no one wanted him to actually intentionally hurt someone for the sake of hurting them, but I feel like there was sort of an acceptance that football is a violent sport and if someone got hurt when he tackled them,that's just the risk they took playing the game. My brother was also taught specifically to never hit or hurt a girl, so I could see him feeling weird about tackling one.

Noneof that is an excuse to keep girls from playing football. His conflicted feelings are not her problem. I'm just saying I don't think that it means you are raising your kids to be boy hurting sociopaths if they are a little troubled by playing a violent sport against a girl when they've been encouraged to play hard against boys but also never hit girls for their whole life.

This was my point. He just felt conflicted. As an adult he realizes that the girls put themselves into the situation, knowing that they may get hurt. As a child he didnt see that.