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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It is the beginning of the end for the Boy Scouts. Most of the conservative members whose values the Scouts were built on will get out. Once that happens there will be no more opposition left for Gay Scout leaders and when that happens it will push even more people out. It wouldn't surprise me if they now change the Boy Scout oath and core values to match their new membership. I would be surprised if Boy Scout membership is 50% of what it is now within 5 years.
    What makes you think there aren't a whole lot of gay accepting people who would like their kids to be boy scouts? I had Aodhan in boy scouts for a while and the only reason i stopped was just because of time constraints. I think the scouts have great things to offer boys if you get into the right kind of troop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It is the beginning of the end for the Boy Scouts. Most of the conservative members whose values the Scouts were built on will get out. Once that happens there will be no more opposition left for Gay Scout leaders and when that happens it will push even more people out. It wouldn't surprise me if they now change the Boy Scout oath and core values to match their new membership. I would be surprised if Boy Scout membership is 50% of what it is now within 5 years.
    What makes you think there aren't a whole lot of gay accepting people who would like their kids to be boy scouts? I had Aodhan in boy scouts for a while and the only reason i stopped was just because of time constraints. I think the scouts have great things to offer boys if you get into the right kind of troop.

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    I believe we had this debate not too long ago. I am sure it varies by area, but here, most people that are bothered by this subject have long ago created their own separate groups. I do think there are plenty of people not bothered by the subject to keep the boy scouts alive.

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    I have lots of friends who have been boycotting the scouts (us included) who would now join. Not everyone quits a club just because it isn't allowed to be hateful anymore. Some people will join it for just that reason!
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    Hmmmm...I have a friend...Republican...church goer (former pg.org member) who has kept her boy OUT of scouts because of this ban and will now put him in and a several more liberal friends who have purposely kept them out for the same reason.
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    I'm sure there will be some new members. I just don't think it will be even close to the number of people who will be leaving. Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Hmmmm...I have a friend...Republican...church goer (former pg.org member) who has kept her boy OUT of scouts because of this ban and will now put him in and a several more liberal friends who have purposely kept them out for the same reason.
    Yeah, my husband is republican (and an eagle scout) and I only switched from republican to independent about 18 months ago and we would not have let our kids participate while this ban was in place.

    Numbers have been on the decline for five straight (no pun intended) years in a row (Scouting for All: Committed to Scouting, Open to Diversity. Working to end discrimination against gays, atheists, agnostics, other non-theists, and all other groups in the Boy Scouts of America.) and I can only hope that it has been because of people like us taking a moral stand against bigoted policies. I hope they grow with the new policy! I disagree with Gloria's doomsday prophesy.
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    Yeah, i think its fair to point out this is an alienating position. But their prior position was alienating as well. In both cases, there will be a group of people turned off by the policies.

    But when it comes down to it 99.9999% of scouting has nothing to do with the issue of homosexuality vs. heterosexuality. And people actually like the activities and programs that they are offering to the kids on a regular basis.

    I think its a bit...i don't know what the word is.... to think that will all just fall apart because conservative anti-homosexual people might no longer want to participate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It is the beginning of the end for the Boy Scouts. Most of the conservative members whose values the Scouts were built on will get out. Once that happens there will be no more opposition left for Gay Scout leaders and when that happens it will push even more people out. It wouldn't surprise me if they now change the Boy Scout oath and core values to match their new membership. I would be surprised if Boy Scout membership is 50% of what it is now within 5 years.
    The beginning of the end for the Intolerant Conservative Boy Scouts of America....Yes, could not agree more. And for the record, the Boy Scouts are hardly an American thing. And another thing, Lord B-P would roll over in his grave to know that homosexuals up until now have been repressed in the Scouts in any country at any time. Did you know that he was most likely GAY, Gloria? Did you know that? OMG, the founder of the Boy Scouts actually GAY????? And even if he wasn't, the civilized world outside of the US allows gays in Boy Scouts so why the heck should it matter what Conservatives in the US say about the impending decline of scouting? Please. The worldwide movement called the Boy Scouts will go on quite nicely without so much as a blip on the screen from squawking American Christian conservatives, and, the best part is that it will go on in the US too.
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    Sure. It is a Canadian thing also. The membership roles have already dropped there. The same will happen here.

    In 1998, Canadian Scouts (CS) decided to allow females, atheists, agnostics, homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals to join the CS. In 1999, they approved the establishment of an all-homosexual troop, which now marches in Canada’s “gay pride” parades. Within five years, scouting membership dropped over 50 percent. Many scouting camps and offices were closed, and staff was laid off.
    LifeSiteNews Mobile | The Boy Scouts should learn the lessons of the Canadian Scouts

    Their own poll predicts what will happen.
    "The Scouts’ poll earlier this year asked members what would happen if the ban on gay men and boys was lifted," she reported, "and officials predicted 100,000 to 350,000 people would leave. A lift on both bans would likely bring 10,000 to 20,000 new youth, the group said."
    Christianity Today Gleanings: Boy Scouts Lift Membership Ban on Gay Youths
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