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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    It is the beginning of the end for the Boy Scouts. Most of the conservative members whose values the Scouts were built on will get out. Once that happens there will be no more opposition left for Gay Scout leaders and when that happens it will push even more people out. It wouldn't surprise me if they now change the Boy Scout oath and core values to match their new membership. I would be surprised if Boy Scout membership is 50% of what it is now within 5 years.
    Sometimes I wish we had a "thumbs down" button in addition to the like.

    We're another family who now will let our son join Boy Scouts, if he wants, because this ban is lifted. I don't care if the overall population of Boy Scouts drops, because I don't want my son hanging out with bigots anyway.
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    Great point in amidst the whackadoodles in the link Gloria provided. I quite clearly remember Lillie and others promising a mass exodus from the military with the repeal of DADT. Yeah..... Never happened. This won't either.

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    "The Scouts? poll earlier this year asked members what would happen if the ban on gay men and boys was lifted," she reported, "and officials predicted 100,000 to 350,000 people would leave. A lift on both bans would likely bring 10,000 to 20,000 new youth, the group said."
    If that poll proves true, it's a very sad, bigoted, pathetic world we live in. Are people really that threatened by including gay kids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    Sometimes I wish we had a "thumbs down" button in addition to the like.
    I frequent a forum that has a "Disagree" button. I LOVE it.

    And the when you click these buttons (there are of them. Agree, Disagree, Educational, Interesting, Funny and Love) it is anonymous, only shows a tally of how many you have of each.

    Its great for all you lurkers out there reading our debates. Too bad we don't have it here!

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    In regards to people leaving....people are often hot headedly outspoken about change and threaten all kinds of stuff...but then out of those people, only a portion of them actually do it.

    I'm really not worried. And honestly, If its not meant to be...then so be it. I'd rather have no boy scouts at all then a group that perpetuates such intolerance.
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    Nice. If everyone can't be included than no one should. People with religious beliefs are supposed to just cave and give the organization they built based on their moral values over to everyone else that believes differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Nice. If everyone can't be included than no one should. People with religious beliefs are supposed to just cave and give the organization they built based on their moral values over to everyone else that believes differently.
    This is not about "religious beliefs". Many, many religious people, including Christians, have no trouble including gay kids. This is about prejudice at worst, and a lack of understanding at best. I know and love many religious people who would be appalled that someone calls being anti-gay a "religious belief".
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    Yes! Please do NOT lump me (liberally religious) and my very conservative religious friends in with bigots. The two are very very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    This is not about "religious beliefs". Many, many religious people, including Christians, have no trouble including gay kids. This is about prejudice at worst, and a lack of understanding at best. I know and love many religious people who would be appalled that someone calls being anti-gay a "religious belief".
    What exactly would you call a belief that is based on the Bible if not a religious belief?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    What exactly would you call a belief that is based on the Bible if not a religious belief?
    I know many people who follow the Bible and believe it is the word of God and are not anti-gay. People used to use the Bible to justify racism too, you know. It's not that people with religious beliefs are supposed to cave, but people with biased, prejudiced beliefs are supposed to cave, yes. I'm all for that.
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