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    So, you are just against homosexuality because the Bible tells you so? The immorality of being gay is something you are instructed to believe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Actually it doesn't. I don't fear or hate homosexuals. So it doesn't qualify under either definition.
    If you don't fear them then what is your issue with having them in the Scouts?
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    Gloria, your religion makes me sad for you....I can't imagine living my life as a Christian like that, being so close-minded.

    I'm very happy to hear the Boy Scouts got rid of the ban. My boys used to do Scouts, but we just didn't have the time for it this year. Our Pack is very open-minded...probably 1/2 of the boys in it were different religions, and some didn't practice any religion. It never mattered, because our Pack realized one doesn't have to be a Christian to be morally straight.
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    Personally I would rather have gay leaders than gay boys.. Trouble is for me the camp outs. I would not allow my boys to camp out with girls, I would not want them camping out with homosexual boys. Same difference.. I do not want them to have to deal with sexual issues while on a camp out. I would and do hold leaders to a higher standard than children when it comes to PDA.. and with children things can get out of hand without an adult knowing fairly easily.. especially where adults are not allowed in tents etc.. just boys. It reduces the risk of adults abusing children but doesn't help with issues like bullying or children abusing each other, as there is no supervision. This is why for camp outs so far (cubscouts) we have NOT sent our children to camp without us.. We have gone with them, and they were not in the tents with other kids, but rather camped with us as parents.
    We will continue it this way, though was hoping for something different our overnighters will probably remain at home or in homes of trusted family/friends.

    My husband is upset about the whole issue and is considering us pulling our own children out of boyscouts completely, which is something more conservative families are probably also considering.

    I do not see Gloria as hate-filled at all, and I do see sexual issues in general as a concern when raising children. I wouldn't let my children have a girl sleep over. Why would I allow them to have a homosexual boy? To me it is treating all sexual issues as equal.
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    My son has had his friend from across the street, a girl, sleep over. My son is 9. He has no interest in anything sexual. I know some kids do at that age but he really doesn't so I would not have a blanket rule. (He recently asked me what MAXIM was because it comes up on our Xbox and I said it was a grown-up man thing and when I mentioned pictures of sexy ladies he said, "Say no more! Not interested." Lol.)

    Young gay boys are not running around having sex; mostly they are just confused and looking to find a way to fit in when they feel very different, even when they are doing their best to hide it.

    Is bullying a problem on camping trips with scouts? Really? Don't they supervise them and also isn't part of the whole scouting thing to have decent behavior? If not then there are bigger reasons to re-think the scouts. I thought they were all about moral decency, that's one of the things I actually like about them.

    Anyway Rivergallery the rule doesn't really change that sort of thing.....I suspect there were many closeted gay boys in the scouts already. If the real reason people are leaving scouts is because they think that camping will become some sort of sexual frenzy then this harkens back to the olden days when men used to be afraid that all gay men would hit on them. "Don't flatter yourself," my friends used to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    Personally I would rather have gay leaders than gay boys.. Trouble is for me the camp outs. I would not allow my boys to camp out with girls, I would not want them camping out with homosexual boys. Same difference.. I do not want them to have to deal with sexual issues while on a camp out. I would and do hold leaders to a higher standard than children when it comes to PDA.. and with children things can get out of hand without an adult knowing fairly easily.. especially where adults are not allowed in tents etc.. just boys. It reduces the risk of adults abusing children but doesn't help with issues like bullying or children abusing each other, as there is no supervision. This is why for camp outs so far (cubscouts) we have NOT sent our children to camp without us.. We have gone with them, and they were not in the tents with other kids, but rather camped with us as parents.
    We will continue it this way, though was hoping for something different our overnighters will probably remain at home or in homes of trusted family/friends.

    My husband is upset about the whole issue and is considering us pulling our own children out of boyscouts completely, which is something more conservative families are probably also considering.

    I do not see Gloria as hate-filled at all, and I do see sexual issues in general as a concern when raising children. I wouldn't let my children have a girl sleep over. Why would I allow them to have a homosexual boy? To me it is treating all sexual issues as equal.
    I appreciate that your response seems thought out and not full of hate as so many can be on this issue. I wanted to point out though, that if a child sexually abuses another, it is most often a sign that the child has been abused himself, and has nothing to do with sexual orientation. So I dont see how this rule really changes things in that regard.
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    I also want to add that I had to do much soul searching to allow my son into the scouts because of their anti-gay policy. It was a difficult one for me but he really wanted to join, my husband had loved it as a kid, and my gay dad said "let him!" None of that attitude trickled down into our local scouts, as we're in a nice liberal area here.

    So I'm guessing some of the conservatives will do what I did, and put their children's interests ahead of their own agendas. In the ultra conservative areas the gay kids will be too scared to come out of the closet anyway.

    And my son ended up leaving the scouts, not because of anything but his own lack of motivation. Ah well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freddieflounder101 View Post
    My son has had his friend from across the street, a girl, sleep over. My son is 9. He has no interest in anything sexual. I know some kids do at that age but he really doesn't so I would not have a blanket rule. (He recently asked me what MAXIM was because it comes up on our Xbox and I said it was a grown-up man thing and when I mentioned pictures of sexy ladies he said, "Say no more! Not interested." Lol.)

    Young gay boys are not running around having sex; mostly they are just confused and looking to find a way to fit in when they feel very different, even when they are doing their best to hide it.

    Is bullying a problem on camping trips with scouts? Really? Don't they supervise them and also isn't part of the whole scouting thing to have decent behavior? If not then there are bigger reasons to re-think the scouts. I thought they were all about moral decency, that's one of the things I actually like about them.

    Anyway Rivergallery the rule doesn't really change that sort of thing.....I suspect there were many closeted gay boys in the scouts already. If the real reason people are leaving scouts is because they think that camping will become some sort of sexual frenzy then this harkens back to the olden days when men used to be afraid that all gay men would hit on them. "Don't flatter yourself," my friends used to say.
    Gay Boys ARE running around having sex.. if you treat them the same as heterosexual boys.. Boyscouts starts at 10 1/2 and goes till you are 18 years old.

    Adult leaders are not allowed into the tent with the boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftmom View Post
    I appreciate that your response seems thought out and not full of hate as so many can be on this issue. I wanted to point out though, that if a child sexually abuses another, it is most often a sign that the child has been abused himself, and has nothing to do with sexual orientation. So I dont see how this rule really changes things in that regard.
    I do agree with you there regarding the abuse.. However at 18yo having sexual relations with a 15 yo would be considered Rape.
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    If this ban means that my kids and I am safe from having to interact with people who actually believe the things that rg and Gloria do- this ban is already wildly successful in my eyes.

    Please, PLEASE pull your kids out of the wonderful organization that is the scouts before my kids have to hear about bigotry and get their first taste of intolerance and ignorance from adults and peers. I don't want them believing that their gay friends are all perverts who can't keep it in their pants. This isn't 1929. My lord.good riddance.

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