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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Again, he put himself in unnecessary danger. Shame on him.

    If I jump into an enclosure at the zoo and then open fire on a tiger claiming I was in danger no one would pat me on the back or call me a hero. I wasn't really in danger, I put myself in a dangerous situation needlessly. People would call me stupid and charge me with killing a tiger.
    Putting himself in danger is his job. Every day. If some stupid fool jumped into the tiger enclosure and an officer jumps in to save him and shoots the tiger I don't thing anyone would be calling the officer stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Funeral processions are different.

    You're saying to work as loss prevention at walmart they don't have to purchase a different uniform?
    No they don't. They can wear their city uniform, they can even check out a city radio if they want to. They do have to notify the city of every off duty job they do. Dallas police officers have to buy half their own equipment anyway, because what the city issues isn't very good quality so if they want the good stuff they have to buy it themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Putting himself in danger is his job. Every day. If some stupid fool jumped into the tiger enclosure and an officer jumps in to save him and shoots the tiger I don't thing anyone would be calling the officer stupid.

    I thought enforcing the law was his job? While, theoretically, trying NOT to kill people, I'd hope?

    Do you equate walmart merchandise with human life? I don't. This analogy does not work given the circumstances ~ no life was at risk (until the security guard needlessly put his own at risk, which is VERY unproven, and even if it is proven, was absolutely unnecessary over some cheap threads or whatever they stole, lets say it was something expensive even like a power drill!) walmart durable goods were. In no circumstance does killing someone over shoplifting make sense to me. Ever. I'm very staunchly pro life in this regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    I thought enforcing the law was his job? While, theoretically, trying NOT to kill people, I'd hope?

    Do you equate walmart merchandise with human life? I don't. This analogy does not work given the circumstances ~ no life was at risk (until the security guard needlessly put his own at risk, which is VERY unproven, and even if it is proven, was absolutely unnecessary over some cheap threads or whatever they stole, lets say it was something expensive even like a power drill!) walmart durable goods were. In no circumstance does killing someone over shoplifting make sense to me. Ever. I'm very staunchly pro life in this regard.
    In that case why even have police at all? Let's just let people steal all they want after all its not worth putting anyone at risk over... right?

    The fact is... when you steal or break the law YOU are putting your own life at risk. It is a choice you make because people and the police are allowed to protect themselves and their property. These women made that choice when they chose to break the law in the first place, and then they further put their own lives at risk when they directly disobeyed a police officer and then had no respect for his life when they still did not stop even when they put his life at risk. They put this officers life at risk. He just did his job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    In that case why even have police at all? Let's just let people steal all they want after all its not worth putting anyone at risk over... right?

    The fact is... when you steal or break the law YOU are putting your own life at risk. It is a choice you make because people and the police are allowed to protect themselves and their property. These women made that choice when they chose to break the law in the first place, and then they further put their own lives at risk when they directly disobeyed a police officer and then had no respect for his life when they still did not stop even when they put his life at risk. They put this officers life at risk. He just did his job.
    Actually, YES! I agree with Gloria. This is one for the books.

    I don't believe any human life, officer or thief, is worth killing over or putting one's life in danger for. I really don't. Yep. I think we should let them go and catch them later. Petty goods. Cars. Money. Not worth a shoot out IMO. It is just stuff.

    I hold this belief for most things. Even fireman. I don't want them risking their lives to save personal property. Let it burn. Only enter buildings to save human life. I'm really really pro-life in this way. I think it is bc of the number of family members I have in law enforcement and fire fighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    In that case why even have police at all? Let's just let people steal all they want after all its not worth putting anyone at risk over... right?

    The fact is... when you steal or break the law YOU are putting your own life at risk. It is a choice you make because people and the police are allowed to protect themselves and their property. These women made that choice when they chose to break the law in the first place, and then they further put their own lives at risk when they directly disobeyed a police officer and then had no respect for his life when they still did not stop even when they put his life at risk. They put this officers life at risk. He just did his job.
    So you believe that death is a fair penalty for petty theft? Just making sure I am reading you right so I can reply correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    He was an alone, off duty cop, on foot, who obviously did not have a great handle on the situation (as proved by the fact that he ended up in a life or death situation over shoplifting.) I'm not suggesting he should have let them go with no consequences, I'm suggesting that he should have called it in to the on-duty police officers who could have handled it.

    Again, my friend worked for security for Best Buy, and they were expressly told not to chase people once they got out the doors because it was considered "too dangerous" and also a liability issue. So another security guard at another store would have not been trying to pull people out of moving cars, and still would have been doing his job.
    You're right about security guards being told not to follow people outside because it's dangerous. No one seems to respect an unarmed security guard anymore. That's precisely *why* some stores are now hiring armed & uniformed police officers to wait and deal with the shoplifters outside. And the thing that is driving me crazy about the other side in this debate is you all keep saying this is about shoplifting. It's not. She assaulted the police officer and he had every right to pursue her for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    So you believe that death is a fair penalty for petty theft? Just making sure I am reading you right so I can reply correctly.
    No, not for petty theft. For assaulting an officer with a car, I'm not crying over it.
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    Wow. I'm with Audra. Stuff is stuff. If people need my stuff so badly that they are going to come take it I would never, ever want an officer to shoot at them, or risk their life to try to stop the thief. It's why we don't own guns, and its why we have great insurance.

    Stacey find it hugely ironic you go out of your way to tell your children how Santa is wrong to kill an animal for its warm fur but its fine to gun down a mother in front of her children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    So you believe that death is a fair penalty for petty theft? Just making sure I am reading you right so I can reply correctly.
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    No, not for petty theft. For assaulting an officer with a car, I'm not crying over it.
    Exactly. This went way beyond petty theft when she decided to back her vehicle out whether she drove over the officer or not.
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