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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    Maybe if he had shot her during the struggle in which she hit him with her purse. Maybe. Even then, I have to question if hitting someone with a purse justifies using deadly force in return. Isn't there something that says that you have to use the appropriate amount of force to protect yourself? But anyway, he could possibly argue self defense in that case. But it's not like she was smacking him with her purse, they were struggling and tussling, and that's when he shot her. After she hit him with her purse, she ran away, he gave chase, and then once they were already in their car, that's when he shot her. There is no way to call that self defense.

    To give another example, if hit you with my umbrella, and then you went and got a gun and shot me 2 minutes later, do you really think you could claim self defense or that you felt your life was in danger and you had to use deadly force against me? I seriously doubt you'd get away with it.

    It was a purse USED as a weapon. They are charged with felony robbery, not just simple robbery. Look it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Sunsets View Post
    No, he is a cop...just off duty. Oh, and i found this.

    The Rights and Responsibilities of an Off-Duty Police Officer | eHow.com
    You are missing my point.

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    Colorado Springs Police Dept.


    just an example.

    The Department recognizes that off-duty officers cannot rely on immediate
    assistance or application of police resources in the same capacity as while on
    duty, and therefore expects officers to exercise reasonable judgment before
    jeopardizing themselves or others by taking police action off-duty. Officers
    should, however, take action on an offense which has a significant probability
    of resulting in personal injury or extensive property damage. When action is
    considered necessary consistent with the tactical situation, offenses involved,
    or other factors as determined by the involved officer, any police action will
    be governed by the same policies, procedures and rules that apply to on-duty
    personnel in a similar situation
    An officer's identity as a police officer is more difficult to establish quickly
    when out of uniform, and private vehicles cannot be used for pursuits or other
    activities requiring special police equipment. Whenever a police officer is
    carrying a service, off-duty, or auxiliary firearm off duty, the officer shall
    also carry both an official police badge and official identification
    card/concealed weapons permit.

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    This is from this story.

    1) He WAS in uniform.

    2) He was between the door and the front of the car, and feared for his safety.

    3) She was already on probation for stealing before and wasn't even supposed to be in ANY Walmart.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Sunsets View Post
    This is from this story.

    1) He WAS in uniform.

    2) He was between the door and the front of the car, and feared for his safety.

    3) She was already on probation for stealing before and wasn't even supposed to be in ANY Walmart.
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    I'm sorry. I do not care what you pull from whatever article. I refuse to believe that a veteran police officer believed he was in mortal danger because a woman smacked him with her purse. And he didn't even shoot her while she was swinging! He chased her and then fired at her car. Unless she was driving her car toward him to run him down, he was NOT IN DANGER! At all!


    ETA: Oh. And please. PLEASE charge her with felony robbery. Whatever. She obviously did wrong. Lots of wrong. No one is arguing she is a saint and shouldn't be arrested. I am appalled she took her children to a robbery. Disgusting. BUT that isn't the point here is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Sunsets View Post
    It was a purse USED as a weapon. They are charged with felony robbery, not just simple robbery. Look it up.
    I'm fine with them being charged with felony robbery. They resisted arrest, they assaulted a police officer, that's all fine. But what I am saying is that it's still just a freaking purse. You can say "She used it as a weapon", and sure she did, by hitting him with it, she used it as a weapon. You can use anything as a weapon if you hit someone with it. You can use a pillow as a weapon if you hit someone with it. But it's still just a purse. I just don't see how that justifies the use of deadly force in return.

    And even if it did, he didn't shoot her during the struggle (if there was a struggle) with the purse. He shot her as she was trying to drive away. It's the equivalent of shooting someone in the back and calling it self defense. Pretty sure that doesn't fly.

    Also, on re-reading the article, I'm not sure that it's a fact that the driver, Shelley Frey, is even the one that hit him with a purse. It said that one of the three hit him, it doesn't say which one. So we could have a situation where he shot a different woman than the one that hit him. But that doesn't matter so much to me because I don't believe that he shot in self defense anyway.
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    I would like to see the video, but it wont let me. Honestly, it would change things for me if she was driving the car directly at him when he shot, but other than that scenario, I think he over reacted. As I am almost always on the cops side though, I choose to at least give him the benefit of the doubt and call it an over reaction, in the heat of the moment. Was it wrong, yes IMO, but everything must have happened really quickly, and he reacted.

    Unless he was in uniform, or clearly identified himself as an officer, I have a hard time saying she assaulted a police officer. And anyways, hitting someone with a purse.....even a really heavy one filled with stolen merchandise, is not a shooting offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smsturner View Post
    I'm sorry. I do not care what you pull from whatever article. I refuse to believe that a veteran police officer believed he was in mortal danger because a woman smacked him with her purse. And he didn't even shoot her while she was swinging! He chased her and then fired at her car. Unless she was driving her car toward him to run him down, he was NOT IN DANGER! At all!


    ETA: Oh. And please. PLEASE charge her with felony robbery. Whatever. She obviously did wrong. Lots of wrong. No one is arguing she is a saint and shouldn't be arrested. I am appalled she took her children to a robbery. Disgusting. BUT that isn't the point here is it?
    Dead people can't go to jail. Did you miss that part?

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    ummm why was she shot in the neck? What was he aiming at that either he didn't aim well or he did (her head). Aren't police officers trained to not kill when they do use deadly force or am I totally wrong on that one?

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