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    If someone came running after me yelling Mamn stop... ! Stop! I would stop. Especially if in a parkinglot with my Friends!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    If someone came running after me yelling Mamn stop... ! Stop! I would stop. Especially if in a parkinglot with my Friends!
    Not me. My safety comes first.

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    Seriously Most attackers yell for you to stop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivergallery View Post
    If someone came running after me yelling Mamn stop... ! Stop! I would stop. Especially if in a parking lot with my Friends!
    Of course you would. Because you are white. ( me too) Because we are all betting you have just not have stolen. Flip the coin. You are poor, you are desperate, you have different morals. You are now going to jail and your kids are going Into to the foster care system.
    You run.

    And you deserve to DIE?????



    Nah, sorry but our system just isnt set up all vigalante style like that .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    As a woman, even being innocent, I wouldn't necessarily just stop for whomever. That's risky. You don't know who is stopping you.
    This wasn't "just whomever," he was a uniformed police officer. And it wasn't in a dark parking lot where safety might be an issue, the first altercation was right outside the store and then he chased them *into* the parking lot when they ran away. These women turned a simple shoplifting investigation, when they could have just shown a receipt or admitted that they got caught & dealt with those ramifications, into an assault by hitting him, and with that he absolutely had the right to pursue them. And they should have known he had a gun since he was a uniformed police officer! I mean, this is just stupid on top of stupid on top of stupidER. This officer did nothing wrong. The women did everything wrong. And when you do everything wrong with someone who has a gun, sometimes people get shot, and when people get shot and NOT taken to a hospital, sometimes they die. That doesn't mean the officer was wrong, it means they were more wrong.
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    Stacey why do you keep saying he was a uniformed police officer? Am I reading it wrong or missing something? As I understand it off duty police officers working as Walmart security guards would NOT be permitted to wear their police uniforms. Could you explain why you continue to insist that this man was dressed as a police officer?
    ? What am I missing here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacers View Post
    This wasn't "just whomever," he was a uniformed police officer. And it wasn't in a dark parking lot where safety might be an issue, the first altercation was right outside the store and then he chased them *into* the parking lot when they ran away. These women turned a simple shoplifting investigation, when they could have just shown a receipt or admitted that they got caught & dealt with those ramifications, into an assault by hitting him, and with that he absolutely had the right to pursue them. And they should have known he had a gun since he was a uniformed police officer! I mean, this is just stupid on top of stupid on top of stupidER. This officer did nothing wrong. The women did everything wrong. And when you do everything wrong with someone who has a gun, sometimes people get shot, and when people get shot and NOT taken to a hospital, sometimes they die. That doesn't mean the officer was wrong, it means they were more wrong.
    So which part of it do you think authorized him to shoot them?

    In your opinion, do you think the police should be allowed to shoot you for shop lifting?
    Or should they be allowed to shoot you for fleeing?
    Or should they be allowed to shoot you for hitting them with your purse, after the fact (meaning, they aren't shooting you to stop you from hitting them, they are shooting you because you hit them previously?)
    Or, if they open your car door while you're driving away and you don't stop, should they be allowed to shoot you then?

    I would say no to all of those situations individually. I think that shooting someone should be done as an absolute last resort. If a police officer shot someone for shoplifting, I would say the police officer was wrong. If a police officer shot someone for fleeing, I would say the police officer was wrong. If a police officer shot someone after they hit them with their purse, I would say the police officer was wrong. If the police officer opened up a car door and then shot someone when they didn't stop, I would say that police officer was wrong. Now, I know that this situation included ALL of those elements, but I still think that if it's wrong to shoot someone for every one of those reasons individually, then it's wrong to shoot them for ALL of those reasons put together. I just can't escape the fact that this situation did not have to escalate to this level. He could have taken down the license plate and called it in, and it most likely would have ended very differently than it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Of course you would. Because you are white. ( me too) Because we are all betting you have just not have stolen. Flip the coin. You are poor, you are desperate, you have different morals. You are now going to jail and your kids are going Into to the foster care system.
    You run.

    And you deserve to DIE?????



    Nah, sorry but our system just isnt set up all vigalante style like that .
    I dont think anyone is saying that this woman deserved to die, at least Im not. I am saying that I can understand how that is what happened, and I dont think, after getting more facts, that the officer was wrong. This was not a vigilante killing. He was a uniformed police officer, not some random person with a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alissa_Sal View Post
    So which part of it do you think authorized him to shoot them?

    In your opinion, do you think the police should be allowed to shoot you for shop lifting?
    Or should they be allowed to shoot you for fleeing?
    Or should they be allowed to shoot you for hitting them with your purse, after the fact (meaning, they aren't shooting you to stop you from hitting them, they are shooting you because you hit them previously?)
    Or, if they open your car door while you're driving away and you don't stop, should they be allowed to shoot you then?

    I would say no to all of those situations individually. I think that shooting someone should be done as an absolute last resort. If a police officer shot someone for shoplifting, I would say the police officer was wrong. If a police officer shot someone for fleeing, I would say the police officer was wrong. If a police officer shot someone after they hit them with their purse, I would say the police officer was wrong. If the police officer opened up a car door and then shot someone when they didn't stop, I would say that police officer was wrong. Now, I know that this situation included ALL of those elements, but I still think that if it's wrong to shoot someone for every one of those reasons individually, then it's wrong to shoot them for ALL of those reasons put together. I just can't escape the fact that this situation did not have to escalate to this level. He could have taken down the license plate and called it in, and it most likely would have ended very differently than it did.
    She was not shot for any of those reasons. He was being dragged along by the car and she would not stop. He was in fear for his safety when he shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethanwinfield View Post
    Not me. My safety comes first.
    I get this. A strange man said hi to me IN the store the other day, and I totally speeded up....till I realized it was DH's friend

    However, there are things I have been taught to do if I doubt the person is actually a cop. 1. go back into the store where there are lots of people, ask to see the badge and call in to confirm. or 2. Get in my car, lock the doors, ask to see the badge through the window, and call it in, or 3. (If he were to grab me), Scream at the top of my lungs to make sure there is an audience to whatever happens.

    Hitting the person and running/driving away, actually puts you in more danger, as this situation demonstrates. Please do not put yourself in a situation where the cop has to assume that you are a criminal that is going to put others in danger.
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