Shoplifter Shot and Killed - Page 9
+ Reply to Thread
Page 9 of 24 FirstFirst ... 567891011121319 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 231
Like Tree69Likes

Thread: Shoplifter Shot and Killed

  1. #81
    Community Host Sapphire Sunsets's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Northeast, USA
    Posts
    7,964

  2. #82
    Posting Addict ClairesMommy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    12,517

    Default

    Yes, to this:

    Shelly Frey Shot Dead For Shoplifting. Was It Worth It? By Rachel Hislop | Global Grind

    There was a time somewhere between learning that there were pretty things in the world that we didn't have the funds to afford, and the rude awakening of "oh ****, I can be arrested for this," that we have all shoplifted something we probably don’t remember today.
    Whether it was a piece of candy Mom said no to, or some clothing item we were sure we would die without, I am going to go ahead and say we are all human and make shoplifting mistakes.
    But is that means for us to be shot dead?
    This morning as I doing my normal web rounds, I came across the story of 27-year-old Shelly Frey, who was shot and killed, in front of her kids, for shoplifting from a Texas WalMart.
    According to news reports, which paint the deceased as the aggressor and the armed guard as the hero, when Shelly was confronted at the store's exit, she hit the off duty police officer with her purse and fled to a waiting car.
    The guard then chased them into the parking lot and held their car door open in an attempt to stop them from leaving, but the driver sped off. The guard fired, and the bullet hit Shelly Frey in the neck. She died shortly thereafter, in front of her children.
    The story itself was gruesome enough, but what was even more troubling was the commentary that followed on posts about Shelly's death.
    Some of the posts read as follows:
    Mother had no business acting a fool and putting her life and others in danger. She paid the ultimate price for her behavior.

    Yes it's unfortunate that she lost her life and as trivial as it may seem that what she was suspected of stealing was probably not worth it but she and no one else but her and her girls who were with her at the time is to blame for her untimely demise and as hard as everyone wants to believe that she didn't deserve to die there will always be consequences to one's actions. Fate and Karma are joined at the hip and whether you believe it or not this is a stark reminder that they do exist

    Oh give me a break! She had a history of shoplifting and was banned from all Walmart stores! She ran and was in a moving car! Sorry, you come at me in a car, I will shoot your ***! Hitting the tire will not bring it to an immediate stop! Stop playing Monday morning quarterback and acknowledge that if this idiot mom had adhered to the Walmart ban she would be alive! My only condolences go to the children...not this bonehead woman and her ratchet crew!
    I hate to draw correlations between two cases that are entirely independent, but another headline this week was the receptionist who took her own life after falling for a radio prank concerning Kate Middleton's pregnancy.
    An outcry of people placed the blame on the radio hosts who have since been suspended from their positions at the radio station, but a man shoots a woman in front of her children for shoplifting trivial WalMart merch and gets slandered in her death.
    Something has to give.
    I have done numerous stints in retail, have been enraged to high levels when I noted shoplifters racking up on our goods and walking out of the store. Shoplifters of all kinds: short, tall, black, white young and old, but one or two of our most infamous shoplifters stand out the most to me.
    One was an elderly white lady who was in her late sixties. She was the sweetest customer one could imagine, but frequently racked up and walked out of the store with tons of merch, until we were finally on to her. The second was a younger beautiful woman in her early thirties who would come in with her toddler and shove items into her Chanel bag and walk out undetected.
    Never once, even after knowing these women were repeat offenders, did any of us have a reason to feel as if we wanted to inflict bodily harm on these shoplifters.
    Without a doubt there is a certain level of responsibility that comes with being a member of society. You're expected not to lie, cheat, steal or kill, but does the ends justify the means?
    Is shooting a mother in front of her children going to deter shoplifters of the future? My guess is absolutely not, but a little compassion when it comes to the blame game goes a long way.
    Whether she stole a pack of gum or a microwave oven, her demise didn't have to be in this way, and there are better, far less trigger-happy ways to intercept a shoplifter.
    Now the shooter has blood on his hands, two children are traumatized for life and without a mother, and WalMart, well, WalMart walks away unscathed as what she stole is probably covered by insurance.
    Point proven: Shoplifting is bad, but there is no happy ending.
    -Rachel Hislop


    Read more: Shelly Frey Shot Dead For Shoplifting. Was It Worth It? By Rachel Hislop | Global Grind
    Potter75, Alissa_Sal and Jessica80 like this.
    Lisa


  3. #83
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    14,461

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire Sunsets View Post

    Yes, I'm sure he was wearing a uniform. A walmart security guard uniform. I'm not sure what this video proves, but I absolutely agree with everything that the two hosts say, and agree that this was NOT self defense, as they pretty much state exactly what I did.

    Either way, the fact that he shot a shoplifter in the neck in front of her children is disgusting to me, and I am rather shocked that people are defending him. I don't care if he was wearing a big bird uniform. His actions were not to scale of the crime and the murder was unnecessary. I hope the findings reveal he acted impulsively and I hope he is censored without pay/removed from the force at a minimum and/or charged with needlessly taking this mothers life.
    Last edited by Potter75; 12-12-2012 at 05:06 PM.

  4. #84
    Community Host
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    13,781

    Default

    She was not shot for shot lifting. She was shot for not listening to a police officer when she was told to stop. I does not matter if you are black, white, or pink you can not run from a police officer whether or not they are on duty as long as they identify themselves. I am sure there will be a full review and if excessive force was used the officer will be punished, but I tend to think that he must have thought it was warranted. If she was using her car as a weapon, that is self defence. Making a big deal out of this case will only hurt the police officer and other police officers.

    ~Bonita~

  5. #85
    Community Host
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    13,781

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Yes, I'm sure he was wearing a uniform. A walmart security guard uniform. I'm not sure what this video proves, but I absolutely agree with everything that the two hosts say, and agree that this was NOT self defense, as they pretty much state exactly what I did.
    What makes you think this? Several stores around here hire police officers to work for them. They do not have separate uniforms. They wear their police uniforms.

    ETA - They are treated with the same respect and authority that they are when they are on duty. The Bilo that I shop at regularly has a police officer at it 24/7. Those officers could arrest you just as easily as if they were on their normal shift.
    Last edited by AlyssaEimers; 12-12-2012 at 05:18 PM.

    ~Bonita~

  6. #86
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    14,461

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    She was not shot for shot lifting. She was shot for not listening to a police officer when she was told to stop. I does not matter if you are black, white, or pink you can not run from a police officer whether or not they are on duty as long as they identify themselves. I am sure there will be a full review and if excessive force was used the officer will be punished, but I tend to think that he must have thought it was warranted. If she was using her car as a weapon, that is self defence. Making a big deal out of this case will only hurt the police officer and other police officers.
    Making a big deal out of a security guard shooting an unarmed woman may help other unarmed women not get murdered in front of their children. Luckily we won't just have to rely on what he thought, I'm sure that the testimony of other witnesses and probably security cameras will come into play. Unfortunately feeling scared if you intentionally throw yourself in harms way is not a viable defense for murder. An unarmed suspect running from a police officer is not open season for target practice. Certainly not in my quaint little corner of surburbia. Does your police department sanction shooting to kill at anyone unarmed who runs from police? My goodness. How scary.

  7. #87
    Prolific Poster ftmom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    2,378

    Default

    Off-duty deputy shoots, kills suspected Walmart shoplifter | khou.com Houston

    Gilliland said it was clear that the deputy was law enforcement.

    “He was clearly marked in uniform as a Harris County deputy. And identified himself as the suspects were leaving the establishment,” Gilliland said.

    There I found it!
    Walmart security guard shoots 'shoplifting' mother dead in parking lot as she tries to escape with two young children | Mail Online

    After chasing Frey and the other two women to their car, Campbell opened the door and commanded Frey to get out. But she refused, officials said



    Andrews began to drive away while the deputy was standing between the open door and the driver's seat.

    'She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy,' said Harris County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Deputy Thomas Gilliland.


    And this one states how he wasnt standing in the way of the car when it drove away, he opened the door and was standing between it and the car. Therefore,when they started to back up, the door was knocking into him, if they were accelerating fast enough, I could see how he would be in fear that he would fall and be run over. He was basically trapped alongside an accelerating car.
    Kyla
    Mom to Arianna (5), Conner (3) and Trent (my baby)

  8. #88
    Community Host
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    13,781

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Making a big deal out of a security guard shooting an unarmed woman may help other unarmed women not get murdered in front of their children. Luckily we won't just have to rely on what he thought, I'm sure that the testimony of other witnesses and probably security cameras will come into play. Unfortunately feeling scared if you intentionally throw yourself in harms way is not a viable defense for murder. An unarmed suspect running from a police officer is not open season for target practice. Certainly not in my quaint little corner of surburbia. Does your police department sanction shooting to kill at anyone unarmed who runs from police? My goodness. How scary.
    What I am saying is that the fact that he was working for walmart at the time does not change anything from if it was his normally scheduled shift. IF (If, I am not sure if that is what happened), someone was driving at him in a car, he had every right to shoot in self defence. It is sad that it happened, and as I said, I am sure there will be a full review, but I can easily see how this could have gone down as not his fault.

    ~Bonita~

  9. #89
    Prolific Poster ftmom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Posts
    2,378

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Potter75 View Post
    Yes, I'm sure he was wearing a uniform. A walmart security guard uniform. I'm not sure what this video proves, but I absolutely agree with everything that the two hosts say, and agree that this was NOT self defense, as they pretty much state exactly what I did.

    Either way, the fact that he shot a shoplifter in the neck in front of her children is disgusting to me, and I am rather shocked that people are defending him. I don't care if he was wearing a big bird uniform. His actions were not to scale of the crime and the murder was unnecessary. I hope the findings reveal he acted impulsively and I hope he is censored without pay/removed from the force at a minimum and/or charged with needlessly taking this mothers life.
    This attitude disgusts me to tell you the truth. Again, her being shot, had absolutely nothing to do with the shoplifting. At that point things had escalated way beyond that. And saying that he should have just let her go is ridiculous. Should the cops let everyone who runs just get away? We will all be so safe then. My DH was almost run over by a fleeing suspect the other night, and yes, he drew his gun and jumped out of the way. If he had not had anywhere to jump to, then I hope he would have used that gun.....and btw, at that point the only thing they knew about this suspect was that he had stolen the vehicle.
    Sapphire Sunsets and Spacers like this.
    Kyla
    Mom to Arianna (5), Conner (3) and Trent (my baby)

  10. #90
    Posting Addict
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    14,461

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    What makes you think this? Several stores around here hire police officers to work for them. They do not have separate uniforms. They wear their police uniforms.

    ETA - They are treated with the same respect and authority that they are when they are on duty. The Bilo that I shop at regularly has a police officer at it 24/7. Those officers could arrest you just as easily as if they were on their normal shift.
    Arrest you or kill you, apparently.

    Again, this was MERCHANDISE. Yes she stole. Yes she attempted to flee and not get caught. And I will be interested to see how things unfold ~ this statement about the throwing it in reverse is the first of its kind to be made, and certainly may be coming out as a result of the lashing they are taking in the media, but time and witness testimony will tell.

    I don't want to live in a country where shooting unarmed people over some made in china crap is okay. Human life means more to me than that. It just does. As to what walmart people wear, I admit that I have never been inside a walmart, I assumed their security guards wore walmart stuff, like my friends fiance who is a P.O and also works for Briggs wears a Briggs uniform when working for them. I said I would happily stand corrected if he was wearing a PO uniform, and I do I don't think that anyone, regardless of what they are wearing, ought to be shooting unarmed people, or pursuing them with weapons drawn into crowded parking lots ~ this could have been easily followed up on with a call to on duty police with no weapons involved. That part is just hard to dispute, to me. If he hadn't tried to enter her car, she would not have died. Easy phone call. Nobody dead. Boom. Good work, officer. Kids have a Mommy, albeit one in jail for a few weeks, if that.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 9 of 24 FirstFirst ... 567891011121319 ... LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
v -->

About Us | Contact Us | Privacy Policy | Sitemap | Terms & Conditions