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    I don't understand something and maybe one of you can explain it to me. If we aren't allowed to call mentally handicapped people retarded and still be politically correct then the term shouldn't offend anyone since it doesn't apply to them anymore. Logically. so which is it? Is it a term reserved for the mentally handicapped making it offensive to use it for people who aren't actually retarded but as a negative name or is it acceptable to call someone mentally handicapped that if you just use it as a term and not as a negative name? And if anyone understands what I'm trying to say and can phrase it better, I'd really appreciate it. I'm exhausted.

    eta-I forgot to answer the debate! I think it should be left 100% up to the employers and how much flack they want to take for their employee because we have that whole freedom of speech thing going on....
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    That's not how it works Lillie. They don't use the term anymore because it has negative connotations. There are better terms to use then mental retardation which is why the change for medical terminology. It's not that people who have disabilities are saying "HEY! we are the only ones who can use this word!"

    Taking a group of people that have intellectual disabilities, using an outdated term that grouped them incorrectly, as an attempt for a put down is heinous.
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    Personally I'm sick of all this politically correct stuff and this person or that person is offended it you use the wrong word. Get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Personally I'm sick of all this politically correct stuff and this person or that person is offended it you use the wrong word. Get over it.
    That's pretty sensitive. Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    That's not how it works Lillie. They don't use the term anymore because it has negative connotations. There are better terms to use then mental retardation which is why the change for medical terminology. It's not that people who have disabilities are saying "HEY! we are the only ones who can use this word!"

    Taking a group of people that have intellectual disabilities, using an outdated term that grouped them incorrectly, as an attempt for a put down is heinous.
    That's not what I asked. The meaning of the term has morphed from being (acceptable to unacceptable) from (mentally handicapped people to an ugly term). If the original meaning of the word is not used anymore, then why would anyone associate the new meaning with an insult to mentally handicapped people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    That's pretty sensitive. Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClairesMommy View Post
    That's pretty sensitive. Nice.
    It is freaking ridiculous. If you think about it, people should be responsible for their own emotions. Expecting people to tiptoe around what you are going through is very very selfish. Like the tolerant/intolerant debate. Like a girl on my facebook is dealing with infertility and I understand she's upset but she blasted someone for complaining about their child's behavior because she said that she only wishes she had a child to complain about. I understand having hurt feelings, but expecting everyone around you to stop talking about whatever it is that is your sensitivie point in our society has gotten Out Of Control. Because I would almost bet the woman who was complaining (on her own facebook page, mind you), probably apologized. That's not OK. Trying to figure out whether you should say black or African American any time race is brought up? That's not OK.

    I'm military and get offended when people use the term baby-killer, but it's not their responsibility to not use the term (except when there are rules on a mommy board. ), it's mine to process it and relegate it to where it needs to go. I'm also a WOHM. It's not the SAHM's job to make sure I don't get offended when they put that they are "Full Time Mom"'s, it's mine to process it and relegate it to where it needs to go. I'm a blonde and am sick to death of the ditz/dumb jokes- Still not someone else's job to make sure I don't overhear one, it's MINE to process.

    eta=Ann wasn't insulting mentally handicapped people, she was insulting the President. She was using the new meaning of the term to show that his thinking was slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    Personally I'm sick of all this politically correct stuff and this person or that person is offended it you use the wrong word. Get over it.
    So you are never offended by any word ever?


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    Quote Originally Posted by wlillie View Post
    It is freaking ridiculous. If you think about it, people should be responsible for their own emotions. Expecting people to tiptoe around what you are going through is very very selfish. Like the tolerant/intolerant debate. Like a girl on my facebook is dealing with infertility and I understand she's upset but she blasted someone for complaining about their child's behavior because she said that she only wishes she had a child to complain about. I understand having hurt feelings, but expecting everyone around you to stop talking about whatever it is that is your sensitivie point in our society has gotten Out Of Control. Because I would almost bet the woman who was complaining (on her own facebook page, mind you), probably apologized. That's not OK. Trying to figure out whether you should say black or African American any time race is brought up? That's not OK.

    I'm military and get offended when people use the term baby-killer, but it's not their responsibility to not use the term (except when there are rules on a mommy board. ), it's mine to process it and relegate it to where it needs to go. I'm also a WOHM. It's not the SAHM's job to make sure I don't get offended when they put that they are "Full Time Mom"'s, it's mine to process it and relegate it to where it needs to go. I'm a blonde and am sick to death of the ditz/dumb jokes- Still not someone else's job to make sure I don't overhear one, it's MINE to process.

    eta=Ann wasn't insulting mentally handicapped people, she was insulting the President. She was using the new meaning of the term to show that his thinking was slow.
    It is NUTS to call this ridiculous and selfish! ESPECIALLY this particular word. Because this is what we need to do to protect the feelings of the most vulnerable in this society. These kids/adults have the most sensitive emotions and don't understand alot of this, all they understand is that someone is being hurtful to them. How can someone whose brain never develops beyond a 5 or 10 year old possibly be responsible for their own emotions?


    At the second bold: Don't you understand that by even using the word at all, she is insulting and offending these people??
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    I get that she was insulting the President. In the process she also insulted an entire group of people for "thinking slow"

    Seriously, it may not be something that you get until you live it. Lumping kids and adults together without knowing who they are or what they are capable of only makes YOU (general you) look like you're "thinking slow". I find your comments and Gloria's comments sad to be honest. It's not about being "politically correct" It's about understanding that there is no need to use this word as an insult as there plenty of others out there and that it IS hurtful.

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    I don't think she'll be fired. Ann Coulter says nasty crap all of the time; I think that's her whole appeal. I don't get it, but I'm not exactly her target audience.

    As for whether or not it is offensive to call someone a "******" as a way of calling them stupid, I'll let this amazing fellow speak for himself.

    An Open Letter to Ann Coulter | The World of Special Olympics

    The following is a guest post in the form of an open letter from Special Olympics athlete and global messenger John Franklin Stephens to Ann Coulter after this tweet during last night’s Presidential debate.



    Dear Ann Coulter,
    Come on Ms. Coulter, you aren’t dumb and you aren’t shallow. So why are you continually using a word like the R-word as an insult?


    I’m a 30 year old man with Down syndrome who has struggled with the public’s perception that an intellectual disability means that I am dumb and shallow. I am not either of those things, but I do process information more slowly than the rest of you. In fact it has taken me all day to figure out how to respond to your use of the R-word last night.


    I thought first of asking whether you meant to describe the President as someone who was bullied as a child by people like you, but rose above it to find a way to succeed in life as many of my fellow Special Olympians have.


    Then I wondered if you meant to describe him as someone who has to struggle to be thoughtful about everything he says, as everyone else races from one snarkey sound bite to the next.


    Finally, I wondered if you meant to degrade him as someone who is likely to receive bad health care, live in low grade housing with very little income and still manages to see life as a wonderful gift.


    Because, Ms. Coulter, that is who we are – and much, much more.


    After I saw your tweet, I realized you just wanted to belittle the President by linking him to people like me. You assumed that people would understand and accept that being linked to someone like me is an insult and you assumed you could get away with it and still appear on TV.


    I have to wonder if you considered other hateful words but recoiled from the backlash.


    Well, Ms. Coulter, you, and society, need to learn that being compared to people like me should be considered a badge of honor.
    No one overcomes more than we do and still loves life so much.


    Come join us someday at Special Olympics. See if you can walk away with your heart unchanged.


    A friend you haven’t made yet,
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