I'm fine with churches using their money to fight any cause they want, but I think that money should be taxed, just like the rest of us are taxed with our political contributions.Quote:
So if they put that law up for a vote, why should the church not be able to use donated funds to fight against it? That is why I think that churches should be able to use donated funds for moral issues.
The point of that post wasn't really about taxes though, I was trying to explain why the separation of church and state -including not making purely religious laws- is important to religious freedom. :)
Hearing of politicians speaking *during* religious services is a pet peeve of mine. There are many examples of churches and temples hosting campaign stops, town hall meetings, etc. While I'm not a fan, I don't find that nearly as objectionable as those which feel (to me) like a violation of the sanctuary/service.
I did a quick search to pull up examples for you of politicians using the "pulpit" to offer speeches. I searched both sides of the political aisle and recognize from the news reports that it seems to happen at many levels of government offices down to local. :roll:
Here are a few pulled from over the years:
Herman Cain (Rock Springs Church)
Gingrich (First Redeemer Church)
Rick Santorum (Report on his schedule. You can find more clips from those stops mentioned.)
Ronald Reagan (Campaign speech, Temple Hillel 1984)
Bill Clinton (candidate 1996 -- St. Paul's AME Church)
Barack Obama (Ebenezer Baptist Church -- 2008)
Hillary Clinton (Decorah First Methodist Church -- 2007)
Al Sharpton (Opposing SB 1070 in Phoenix, AZ during Wed. night services Pilgrim's Rest Baptist Church)
Nancy Pelosi (Glide Memorial Church -- speaking after passing of Health Care Act during services )
Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been reported to give a number of speeches at Jewish synagogues, but I do not know if those were during services or not. I only knew of the one that became a controversial news story after it her appearance during sabbath services were canceled at Temple Israel in Miami.
I know that I could find more but am short on time. Did stumble upon this tidbit of advice from Michelle Obama (addressing AME's conference this year): "To anyone who says that church is no place to talk about these issues, you tell them there is no place better,? Obama said at a conference of the African Methodist Episcopal Church in Nashville, Tennessee."
Missy, you're right about Obama at the Ebenezer Baptist Church; that was a gutsy move on his part and he (rightly) caught some heat about it. I told my DH at the time that if it was any other church but MLK's it wouldn't have been considered acceptable. I don't believe either of the Clintons or Mr. Sharpton actually spoke during services at those churches; they attended services as private individuals, which is perfectly legal, and they spoke at forums, conferences or rallies that were put on by the churches, which is also perfectly legal under the 501(c)3 guidelines. And Nancy Pelosi did speak during a service at Glide Memorial, but it's important to note that that was *after* the legislation she supported had passed.
I haven't been able to find much information about Mr. Reagan at Temple Hillel except that he made "remarks to Temple Hillel and Community Leaders in Valley Stream, New York," and that it was a Friday morning. But I did find that part of Mr. Reagan's speech included this little tidbit: "We establish no religion in this country. We command no worship. We mandate no belief, nor will we ever. Church and state are and must remain separate." He actually went on to defend a court case that totally contradicted this notion, but that doesn't surprise me much about Reagan. :roll:
And to this:
"To anyone who says that church is no place to talk about these issues, you tell them there is no place better."
I agree with this. Talk about the issues, not about the candidates and not about the legislation. The issues. That's the right way to do it.