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    Should putting her daughter in beauty pageants be a determining factor in whether this mother gets custody of her daughter?

    'Toddlers & Tiaras' mom could lose custody of daughter because she puts her in pageants | Fox News
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    This is a really tough one for me. I think that pageants (when taken to the extreme) can be harmful, and are frankly gross. But objectively speaking, I think she makes a good point that she's not doing anything illegal.
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    The judge isn't deciding this based on two parents who disagree. The court-appointed psychologist is an advocate solely for the child and has found the pageants are detramental. This should carry weight in the courts.

    Based on the article, I agree that Mom has gone too far in sexualizing her child. It doesn't have to be illegal to be a reason for a change in custody agreement. It's not illegal to get drunk, but the argument can be made that it isn't a healthy environment for the child.
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    I agree with the mom. Pageants aren't illegal (unlike the fathers previous drug arrests) and she shouldn't lose custody because of them.

    That said, I think pageants are horrible and the child psychologists agree. I think it would be reasonable for the courts to say she can no longer participate in pageants without the fathers consent.

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    I hate pageants. But I think this would set a very bad precedent. Especially since the dad never objected to it UNTIL he filed for custody. Also, if that is his only objection then why wouldn't she have the option of keeping custody and taking her out of pageants?

    “He does not pay child support,” alleged Jackson of her ex-husband. “He’s been ordered to pay $500 a year for school stuff, and he has not paid that. Up until August of this last year, which is when ‘Toddlers & Tiaras’ came out, he never challenged the premise of pageants at all. But when ‘Toddlers & Tiaras’ came out, somebody else gave him the idea to say that I was sexualizing her, and he decided to run with it.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I hate pageants. But I think this would set a very bad precedent. Especially since the dad never objected to it UNTIL he filed for custody. Also, if that is his only objection then why wouldn't she have the option of keeping custody and taking her out of pageants?
    I'm confused on the $500/year for school supplies. Is that the only CS he's supposed to pay? Kind of makes sense he hasn't paid that yet if school hasn't started in that area.

    Anyway, perhaps he didn't disapprove until it because soooo sexualized. I do agree on the option of removing her from pageants completely and having her continue to see a therapist/psychologist to make sure she is doing okay.

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    We only have the moms word that the dad didnt object until he filed for custody.

    I think the mom should be given the option to stop doing pageants unless she has the dads permission before they take custody away.

    Does the court take his lack of child support into account when they look at custody?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mom3girls View Post
    We only have the moms word that the dad didnt object until he filed for custody.

    I think the mom should be given the option to stop doing pageants unless she has the dads permission before they take custody away.

    Does the court take his lack of child support into account when they look at custody?
    No, the 2 are dealt with separately. A NCP cannot be denied visitation based on failure to pay. They pursue that your other avenues such as seizing tax returns, garnishing wages, suspending driver licenses, and jail time. In most states they consider the amount of time with the child when calculating the CS. I still can't figure out her comment about the $500 for school supplies. It doesn't sound at all like he is in arrears if there is a CS order.

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    ?If (the judge decides) that Maddy needs to live with her dad because she does pageants with me, then that opens the door for any parent to challenge anybody on activity that a kid does, period,? declared Jackson. ?We could really open up Pandora?s Box to set a precedent all over the world. What if years ago Gabby Douglas? father said, ?She?s not going to be a gymnast. She?s not going to move away from home and practice gymnastics because I won?t allow it,? and he and Gabby?s mother got into a fight? We wouldn?t have gold medal winners, we wouldn?t have Miss America, we wouldn?t have Miss USA.?
    This is a ridiculous argument. In intact families it's very easy for a parent to veto the decision of the others when it comes to stuff like this. Bringing Gabby Douglas into it? Really? Her father left her mother many years ago. It doesn't sound like Maddy's dad has been uninvolved in Maddy's life.

    As for the "precedent" it will set "all over the world": Ummm....no, cases are handled separately in each state. However, many look at the experts' opinions. I sat in the courtroom when my friend was going through a divorce in a different county (150 miles from her home). The father wanted to push the issue that the child could not be enrolled in any activity that would interfere with his visits. If they had soccer games on Saturdays - no soccer. If they would have a Friday night football game - no football. What do you do? Have the kids miss every other game or not commit to a team?

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    Do courts take things into account like

    How much TV they are allowed to watch
    how much junk food they eat
    if they take them to R rated movies


    or other various things?

    I really don't know absolutely anything about this type of thing. I mean if things like the above get to be factored in on a regular basis, then i guess this can be too. If things like the above don't get to be factored in, then this shouldn't be either.

    I really don't know.

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