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    Quote Originally Posted by AlyssaEimers View Post
    I definitely do not think Obamacare is the answer either. But taking away all insurance is definitely not the answer either.
    I don't think taking away ALL insurance is the answer either, but it does drive prices up.

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    I find it odd that they are for Romney over Obama since Romney formed the plan here.....

    Anyway, my company was founded in the 30s and 40s due to the fact the people could not afford the cost of a hospital stay and surgery and avoided medically necessary treatment so your argument that it was affordable without insurance is a moot point. (and yes I really wanted to say a MOO point there lol)

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    I'd actually argue that insurance *is* the problem. It's adding an additional layer of bureaucracy and cost to medical care, and it's essentially pricing out millions of people. That's wrong, everyone should have access to good medical care. And that's why we need to get rid of all insurance companies and move to universal health care.

    And my friends who are doctors & other health care workers love Obamacare because it's moving in the right direction, which is health coverage for all Americans. That's very important to them. One of my friends is an emergency room nurse and she sees the effects every day of people not having insurance and waiting too long to get medical care, and then it costs all of us a lot more than it should. She told me about a man who had what started as a small infection on his foot, but because he had no insurance, his diabetes was out of control and he didn't get the infection treated properly; he ended up with his leg amputated, and then he suffered pulmonary problems that kept him in the hospital for over a month, and then he died. She said his bill was easily a quarter million dollars when a few hundred in diabetes testing equipment, insulin, and wound treatment would have kept him healthy with his leg intact. And she said that kind of thing happens at least once a week. Multiply that by every hospital in the country, and it's an unfathomable amount of unnecessary expense, not to mention pain & suffering & loss of life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    The thing is that the prices are so high BECAUSE of insurance. If it was an actual person paying those bills the prices would come down to what a reasonable person could pay. The system is broken and putting everyone on insurance isn't going to solve the problem. All it does is push the costs to someone else.
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    Well, I'm not a proponent of a single payer system as I'm not impressed with how the Medicare system is currently run and administered in the US. If we could improve that I would rethink my stance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GloriaInTX View Post
    I'm not saying it could be fixed overnight, I am saying that we are going in the wrong direction. Putting everyone on insurance without even a choice of what is covered and just making other people pay for it is not the answer. The costs are just going to go up. All Obamacare does is pay other people's medical costs by forcing a young healthy person to buy insurance they don't need. Someone has to pay for it. Insurance doesn't provide coverage for free, the amount they take in has to cover the amount they are paying out, plus all their expenses of hiring employees to handle all the paperwork involved and paying themselves which just adds to the cost.
    You have no idea which young person WILL need that insurance, though. Like the day my brother broke his femur (while at work), or the day my husband nearly cut off his thumb with a saw, or the day my friend's hubby was diagnosed with testicular cancer at age 24. Not one of those events could have been anticipated-- and yet insurance kept each of them from going bankrupt or seriously in debt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica80 View Post
    Well, I'm not a proponent of a single payer system as I'm not impressed with how the Medicare system is currently run and administered in the US. If we could improve that I would rethink my stance.
    Admittedly, there are many things wrong with Medicare but that doesn't mean we should ditch the idea of universal health care. Many other countries provide UHC without the problems Medicare has. Part of the problem with Medicare is that it tries to behave like an insurance company but it isn't one and can't be one. Medicare covers some of the sickest, poorest people, and there's no one else who is still healthy to share the costs with. And there's nothing threatening about taking those potential customers away if a decent price can't be negotiated, a lot of doctors don't want to deal with Medicare's billing hassles anyway.

    Taiwan has had great success with a national automated billing system; Taiwan extended insurance to its entire population while actually decreasing the growth of health care spending. The Taiwanese can see any doctor without a referral. Every citizen has a smart card, which is used to store his or her medical history and bill the national insurer. Taiwan has the lowest administrative costs in the world.

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    I semi agree with you Stacey. If they could improve the Medicare system I could see myself backing a single payer system potentially.. but I also like my job so I probably shouldn't say that

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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    You have no idea which young person WILL need that insurance, though. Like the day my brother broke his femur (while at work), or the day my husband nearly cut off his thumb with a saw, or the day my friend's hubby was diagnosed with testicular cancer at age 24. Not one of those events could have been anticipated-- and yet insurance kept each of them from going bankrupt or seriously in debt.
    Yes, this is what I was thinking too. Insurance may not be needed for a "healthy young person"...until it is. And then it's too late. Add to that list my healthy 20 something husband who, literally the day after running a half marathon, found out that he had a serious blood clotting disorder and was hospitalized that night. Before all was said and done, his clotting disorder landed him in the hospital multiple times and involved round after round of what was basically chemotherapy, as well as almost daily monitoring by a hematologist for months. If we hadn't have had insurance when that whole ordeal began, I'm sure it would have bankrupted us, and under the old system we would not have been able to get him insurance after it started because of having a pre-existing condition. Under the current system, "healthy young people" who don't have insurance are taking a big gamble with their financial future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermaker View Post
    You have no idea which young person WILL need that insurance, though. Like the day my brother broke his femur (while at work), or the day my husband nearly cut off his thumb with a saw, or the day my friend's hubby was diagnosed with testicular cancer at age 24. Not one of those events could have been anticipated-- and yet insurance kept each of them from going bankrupt or seriously in debt.
    Completely agree. Not having insurance of some kind is downright foolish. "it won't happen to me" often comes back to bite people in the arse.

    Gloria, didn't one of your sons have cancer and require an amputation? How would your family have financed that without any sort of insurance?

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