Should the Pics Of bin Laden be released?

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Should the Pics Of bin Laden be released?

This question has been asked on FB pretty much all day in one form or another. I am actually shocked no one has started a thread about it here. Do you think that the postmortem pics of Osama should be released?

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No. Why? I just think it's gruesome, and wouldn't "prove" anything to the conspiracy theorists who are questioning whether it is true. Easy enough to alter a picture, kwim?

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I have no interest in seeing it.

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Not sure that those it matters to should control the decision.. And the majority of us that are sane don't care much either way.

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I think they should release it just so the remaining Al Queada can't claim that he is not dead and is still hiding out somewhere. There are ways to prove a picture is authentic.

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Nope. I respect my country enough to believe something of this nature. Any "deather" won't be satisfied anyway, they will think it was photoshopped or fake.

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No, no, no.

I was absolutely appalled that the execution video of Hussein was in circulation. Disgusting. We should trust in our officials enough to let it be.

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As long as they release the long form, I have no issue.

I kid.

I trust that he's dead. I highly doubt they'd make a big 'ol huge deal out of it if we didn't actually kill him. Anyone who really needs that proof is in need of help, IMO.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

I think they should release it just so the remaining Al Queada can't claim that he is not dead and is still hiding out somewhere. There are ways to prove a picture is authentic.

Dontcha think that if BL was still alive, he may have heard news that we "killed him"? Seeing as how he has had no problem getting his special little "death to all infidel" videos out and distributed in the past, I'm trusting that goal #1 were he alive would be to prove it and make the US look like idiots.

The picture should not be released to the public. Ick.

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I have this issue of not sharing information that is possessed and people are aware of, without extremely sound reason to hide it. While i don't think people *need* to see this.....i don't think there is a sound *need* to hide it, therefore i think it should be available.

I know it happens, and we a prevented from seeing or knowing things that probably don't have sound reasoning in hiding on a regular basis, but I think that scenario should be avoided as much as possible. No need to hide it? Then make it available...we can be capable of deciding individually if it something we want to partake in seeing or not.

Its the principle of the matter to me.

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i don't really care either way, but i don't know what they are making such a big deal about it when they released all other photos/videos of other terrorists that were killed. what is so different about this one

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"KimPossible" wrote:

I have this issue of not sharing information that is possessed and people are aware of, without extremely sound reason to hide it. While i don't think people *need* to see this.....i don't think there is a sound *need* to hide it, therefore i think it should be available.

I know it happens, and we a prevented from seeing or knowing things that probably don't have sound reasoning in hiding on a regular basis, but I think that scenario should be avoided as much as possible. No need to hide it? Then make it available...we can be capable of deciding individually if it something we want to partake in seeing or not.

Its the principle of the matter to me.

I know that this bin Laden doesn't particularly deserve it, but what about preserving a person's dignity in death? I mean, if there is no reason to hide it, why not release pictures of anyone's dead body to be shown on the news? And I get that we do sometimes see pictures of people in their caskets, but I don't think it's the same. When we see a picture of someone in their coffin, the scene has been carefully staged - they are in their best suit and wearing makeup and whatnot - that's a different thing from seeing someone with half of their head missing because they just took a gunshot to the face.

I remember watching the news coverage of when my grandpa's wife was killed in a really big bad car accident. The police actually held up blankets so that the news couldn't video tape the scenes of the EMTs pulling the dead bodies out of the wreckage. I always thought that was so respectful of them, and so respectful to the families to not have to see their loved ones' dead bodies publicly displayed like that.

Again, I get that BL was a really bad guy, and he probably doesn't deserve that kind of respect, but I think it's better for us to act with grace when possible, no matter what someone deserves.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

I know that this bin Laden doesn't particularly deserve it, but what about preserving a person's dignity in death? I mean, if there is no reason to hide it, why not release pictures of anyone's dead body to be shown on the news?

I think there is a difference between getting a picture strictly for sensational media...and why these pictures were taken. We simply *don't* take pictures of dead bodies for the sake of news. But thats not why these were taken...and now they exist and the general population is aware of that. So i think they should be available. I don't think they need to be plastered on every news station, and people should practice restraint in sharing them. The responsibility should be on *us* to determine what is appropriate and inappropriate use of this information. I have an issue with restriction....i simply think they should be available. I think it would be more appropriate for news sources to provide people with the information on where to get the photo, then to redistribute it themselves on their front page or part of their news hour.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

I know that this bin Laden doesn't particularly deserve it, but what about preserving a person's dignity in death? I mean, if there is no reason to hide it, why not release pictures of anyone's dead body to be shown on the news? And I get that we do sometimes see pictures of people in their caskets, but I don't think it's the same. When we see a picture of someone in their coffin, the scene has been carefully staged - they are in their best suit and wearing makeup and whatnot - that's a different thing from seeing someone with half of their head missing because they just took a gunshot to the face.

I remember watching the news coverage of when my grandpa's wife was killed in a really big bad car accident. The police actually held up blankets so that the news couldn't video tape the scenes of the EMTs pulling the dead bodies out of the wreckage. I always thought that was so respectful of them, and so respectful to the families to not have to see their loved ones' dead bodies publicly displayed like that.

Again, I get that BL was a really bad guy, and he probably doesn't deserve that kind of respect, but I think it's better for us to act with grace when possible, no matter what someone deserves.

I agree. I don't see tact as the same as "hiding" things. Some things simply don't need to be shown.

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Yep I think it should be shown. If ya don't wanna see, don't look.

xx

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I think it should be released as well. I see no difference than all the pictures of the dead that were propped in the 1800's and distributed that are currently circulating the net.

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"Potter75" wrote:

Dontcha think that if BL was still alive, he may have heard news that we "killed him"? Seeing as how he has had no problem getting his special little "death to all infidel" videos out and distributed in the past, I'm trusting that goal #1 were he alive would be to prove it and make the US look like idiots.

The picture should not be released to the public. Ick.

And how hard would it be for his followers to come out with a fake video or something to try and prove just that? The ones they have released in the past weren't known to be high quality after all. It wouldn't have to be good enough to prove it to US, just other people who they want to join his cause.

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"GloriaInTX" wrote:

And how hard would it be for his followers to come out with a fake video or something to try and prove just that? The ones they have released in the past weren't known to be high quality after all. It wouldn't have to be good enough to prove it to US, just other people who they want to join his cause.

I don't understand, you feel very certain that they could verify the authenticity of a picture, bot not a video?

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"Potter75" wrote:

I don't understand, you feel very certain that they could verify the authenticity of a picture, bot not a video?

WE could verify the authenticity of either. I think some of his followers are going to believe whatever they want regardless. If Al Queada puts out a video that OBL is alive there are those who would believe it just beause they want to believe he is alive. Just like if we publish the photos there are still going to be those that will still say it is fake and he is not dead. But I think there are some reasonable people that will be convinced by publishing the photos.

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That is where we disagree. I think that Americans who believe that he isn't dead already are pretty unreasonable. As to what Jihadists believe....well, like you said, who cares?

Frankly I think that they are going to get a lot more mileage out of him as a martyr/dead, not much point in making up fake OBL videos if he is really dead.

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"Potter75" wrote:

That is where we disagree. I think that Americans who believe that he isn't dead already are pretty unreasonable. As to what Jihadists believe....well, like you said, who cares?

Frankly I think that they are going to get a lot more mileage out of him as a martyr/dead, not much point in making up fake OBL videos if he is really dead.

There plenty of other people in the world that don't necessarily trust us who may be on the fence about this that would be convinced by such a photo. What about the people in Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia? I heard a report the other day that people in some of those countries thought he was already dead long ago and we were just using the hunt for Bin Laden as an excuse to continue the war in Afghanistan. So I guess we shouldn't care what any of those people think either?

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Do you think that the US should determine all of our foreign policy and defense based on "what other people think", or just as it pertains to publicly issuing pictures of a dead corpse who is a hero and leader to many?

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I think we learned after the long form birth certificate ordeal, that no picture, document, video,etc. is going to matter to some people. I think this whole BL thing should now be about our gov't and our country operating on higher morals and rising above and not pandering to the least common denominator. Showing pictures of dead bodies and celebrating in the streets is not what we should be striving to do. Our enemies do that kind of thing. How may pictures of dead soldiers and POW's do they show? How many videos of them dancing and celebrating in the streets to the death of our citizens and soldiers have we seen? Why are we coming up with excuses for stooping to that level?

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"Potter75" wrote:

Do you think that the US should determine all of our foreign policy and defense based on "what other people think", or just as it pertains to publicly issuing pictures of a dead corpse who is a hero and leader to many?

Of course not always. But in this case are we not already trying to convince the world that we did the right thing? If not why the washing and burial of the body at sea and all the other details that have been released to show how we are such nice guys? Why would we want go through all that trouble if we don't want to bother to convince the world that he is really dead? I really believe that there are some that won't be convinced until they see the pictures.

Knowing there would be disbelievers, the US says it used convincing means to confirm Osama bin Laden's identity during and after the firefight that killed him. But the mystique that surrounded the terrorist chieftain in life is persisting in death.

Was it really him? How do we know? Where are the pictures?

Already, those questions are spreading in Pakistan and surely beyond. In the absence of photos and with his body given up to the sea, many people do not want to believe that bin Laden - the Great Emir to some, the fabled escape artist of the Tora Bora mountains to foe and friend alike - is really dead.

US officials are balancing that skepticism with the sensitivities that might be inflamed by showing images they say they have of the dead al-Qaida leader and video of his burial at sea. Still, it appeared likely that photographic evidence would be produced.

"We are going to do everything we can to make sure that nobody has any basis to try to deny that we got Osama bin Laden," John Brennan, President Barack Obama's counterterrorism adviser, said Monday. He said the US will "share what we can because we want to make sure that not only the American people but the world understand exactly what happened."

In the immediate aftermath, people in Abbottabad expressed widespread disbelief that bin Laden had died — or ever lived — among them.

"I'm not ready to buy bin Laden was here," said Haris Rasheed, 22, who works in a fast food restaurant. "How come no one knew he was here and why did they bury him so quickly? This is all fake — a drama, and a crude one."

Kamal Khan, 25, who is unemployed, said the official story "looks fishy to me."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/pakistan/news/article.cfm?l_id=78&objectid=10723090

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So we are supposed to release pictures to make a fast food employee in Pakistan believe us?

That is just silly.

How on earth do you think that showing pictures of a man with half his head blown off and part of his brain exposed going to "convince the world we did the right thing". I think that it could do quite the opposite as it would probably sadden many and outrage many more. Death isn't pretty, even when the dead person was a bad dude.

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Exactly. Those pictures are for their eyes only, for them to have concrete proof of them killing him and what they did with is remains. They will go to those in the govt who need to see them as part of their jobs. They've told the general public that he is dead, and that should be the end of it. i cannot understand this outcry of people wanting to see this horrible picture. You aren't a forensic scientist, what is it going to do for you?? The picture you see could be fake. It's so much more respectful to our country as a whole to lay off these stupid conspiracy theories and move forward. This was an opportunity for us as a Nation to feel that bond like we did after 9/11. It should've brought us in unison, speaking quietly our feelings and talking about what may come. All of this "he's lying, they aren't telling the truth! why are they "hiding" the picture? they are all a bunch of liars!", totally stole that moment from us. It just makes me sad at this point because this should be a time of high morale in our country, and questioning our President and caling him a liar totally nixed that wish. And I feel like we all were really DUE for a moment like that. *sigh*

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On one hand, I do not believe in celebrating death. No matter how evil the person is, life itself needs to be respected. By people being so vocal about how happy they are that he died, they are making it so that there will be retaliation. On the other hand, I do believe it was necessary for him to be killed, and that people should be able to see a picture if they request it. Not on the front page of the news, but in records.

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"daniellevmt" wrote:

Exactly. Those pictures are for their eyes only, for them to have concrete proof of them killing him and what they did with is remains. They will go to those in the govt who need to see them as part of their jobs. They've told the general public that he is dead, and that should be the end of it. i cannot understand this outcry of people wanting to see this horrible picture. You aren't a forensic scientist, what is it going to do for you?? The picture you see could be fake. It's so much more respectful to our country as a whole to lay off these stupid conspiracy theories and move forward. This was an opportunity for us as a Nation to feel that bond like we did after 9/11. It should've brought us in unison, speaking quietly our feelings and talking about what may come. All of this "he's lying, they aren't telling the truth! why are they "hiding" the picture? they are all a bunch of liars!", totally stole that moment from us. It just makes me sad at this point because this should be a time of high morale in our country, and questioning our President and caling him a liar totally nixed that wish. And I feel like we all were really DUE for a moment like that. *sigh*

There is however, a lot of distrust for certain people. I do believe that BL is dead, but I do not believe the government is above lying to the public if it suits their needs. I do not want to blindly trust everything the governments says, but look at all the facts for myself and make my own decisions.

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