Should she be fired?

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Should she be fired?

Teacher Posted Facebook Photo of Students With Duct Tape - Yahoo!

Should she be fired or not?

Pictures: Are they or over the top?

Social Media: Did she make the right decision about posting the pictures online?

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Should she be fired or not? Kinda think yes. But, if wasn't done on purpose to keep them quiet then not sure.

Pictures: Are they or over the top? Yes. But, they students did ask her to take them.

Social Media: Did she make the right decision about posting the pictures online? if you ever have to question weather posting pic's online is a "right decision" online is a good idea, it ISN'T. She did violate the students privacy. Same exact thing as nurses posting pic's of patients.

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I can't see the photos but I personally think it is hilarious. Wink

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Should she be fired or not? Yes

Pictures: Are they silly or over the top?: Just dumb. She should have known better.

Social Media: Did she make the right decision about posting the pictures online? Bad move.

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I don't think she should be fired. It isn't like she put the tape on the kids. They did it themselves. Putting it on facebook was a bad plan though.

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As a parent, I would second guess her judgement as a teacher for putting it online. That's the bigger problem. What else could she be putting online? My kid's issues at school?

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"Jessica80" wrote:

As a parent, I would second guess her judgement as a teacher for putting it online. That's the bigger problem. What else could she be putting online? My kid's issues at school?

That's fair. I think she needs to be disciplined, but not fired.

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As you can tell from my posts, I am not a fan of not being able to fire someone if you as the boss thinks they should be fired. You should not have to justify yourself for firing someone.

That said, I do not believe you should ever post a picture of a minor child that is not your own without first asking the child's parents. You should also be careful what you are posting. I hate when people post pictures on FB of their babies naked in the bath tub or when parents post pictures of when their kids climbed into the dog cage. Once you put something on FB, you can no longer control who sees it. Even if she did not put the duck tape on the students herself, it was inappropriate to post the pictures. I am not sure that I would fire someone over that or not. It would depend to me on the rest of their work. Was this a first offence, or the straw that broke the camels back?

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What she did was way wrong. Nobody has the right to post pictures of minors (other than their own children) on social media, or email, or whatever. I think she should be reprimanded, definitely. Fired? Hmm. I'm on the fence about that. In this particular instance I think maybe not, but the line....where does it start in terms of what deserves just a reprimand and what deserves being fired?

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

As you can tell from my posts, I am not a fan of not being able to fire someone if you as the boss thinks they should be fired. You should not have to justify yourself for firing someone.

That said, I do not believe you should ever post a picture of a minor child that is not your own without first asking the child's parents. You should also be careful what you are posting. I hate when people post pictures on FB of their babies naked in the bath tub or when parents post pictures of when their kids climbed into the dog cage. Once you put something on FB, you can no longer control who sees it. Even if she did not put the duck tape on the students herself, it was inappropriate to post the pictures. I am not sure that I would fire someone over that or not. It would depend to me on the rest of their work. Was this a first offence, or the straw that broke the camels back?

Its not as simple as " whatever the big boss says!" she is part of a teachers union, and her "boss" is the school board. That is why they are having a hearing. Without being privy to the hearing, its hard for me to draw a conclusion.

I think that it was inappropriate, yes. It showed poor judgment. If she has a great track record of 10 years of stellar teaching, is it really worth firing a great teacher over? Its really hard for me to say yes to that. God knows that there are a lot of bad teachers out there, I'd be hard pressed to fire a truly good one over one lapse of judgment that didn't actually hurt anyone.

I don't buy the whole "get permission any time you ever put a photo of anyones kids ever anywhere on the internet period ever always". My friends and I frequently cross post photos of one anothers children on FB, photos from playgroup or bday parties or GTG's or whatnot. We don't send out permission slips or get signed waivers or whatnot first. We all have our settings set to "friends only" and generally have a lot of the same friends. We don't post naked photos. Frankly I'd be a lot more insecure having photos of my family in my signature on a public board such as this.

I always sign off okaying my kids photos being used in advertising or social media for their schools or camps or whatnot in the waivers at the start of the year/came. Their names are never used and it just doesn't bother me. This wouldn't bother me if it was on the school website. It would bother me if it was on the teachers personal site, for reasons that Jess mentioned, but I wouldn't want her fired. Disciplined, yes. If she was a good teacher? Fired? No.

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My close friends who would happen to be in my children's photo's, I have asked if they mind first. Not every time, but one time in general "Hey do you mind if I put this one FB?. There after I assume permission granted. Recently when my daughter was at a spelling bee and I was taking pictures I tried to make sure pictures of other kids were either far away or from the back. The one kid that I did get the face I asked the mom first if she minded me putting the pictures on FB. Where DH works and were Alyssa used to go to school you had to sign a release to have your child's picture taken.

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I don't ask permission for every kid. My nieces and nephews I post because we're okay with that. If it is someone I don't know well or if they don't put a lot of pics of their kids I would ask first.

However, I don't think this would be covered under the agreement that the school can post a picture of my child. I know they can post her on the website, in the paper doing an activity or what not. I would not expect her teacher to post it on her fb page.

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Yeah, I just can't get worked up enough about this to see it as a firing offense. If there was something inappropriate in the picture, I would feel differently. If she posted their names and whatnot, I would feel differently. If she actually put the tape on their mouths to shut them up, I would feel differently. But it was obviously a joke that the students were a part of, and it seems to me that no real harm came to anyone in the picture. I think it's fine to discipline her and make it clear that teachers aren't allowed to post pictures of the students on FB, but it seems like such a relatively minor thing to me.

Bonita, I don't understand why you think it's better for bosses to be able to fire anyone for any reason. Boss doesn't like gays, Jews, Christians, whoever, just fire 'em, no reason needed! I don't get why that is your preferred state.

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No I don't think she should be fired. The only things she did wrong was posting it on FB, and I'm sure at the time it didn't seem like a big deal and she wasn't thinking of the repercussions. Maybe give her a warning but I think she probably learned her lesson.

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"Alissa_Sal" wrote:

Bonita, I don't understand why you think it's better for bosses to be able to fire anyone for any reason. Boss doesn't like gays, Jews, Christians, whoever, just fire 'em, no reason needed! I don't get why that is your preferred state.

There are laws against discrimination. Admittedly schools are a little different because the school board is there boss and not an individual, but when I went to school there were a few teachers that were not doing a good job. They could not fire them so they put them as study hall monitor. I think that is foolish. In the private business world, I think that it is a huge injustice that if you would hard to build up a company that some outside force can tell you who you can and can not fire.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

There are laws against discrimination. Admittedly schools are a little different because the school board is there boss and not an individual, but when I went to school there were a few teachers that were not doing a good job. They could not fire them so they put them as study hall monitor. I think that is foolish. In the private business world, I think that it is a huge injustice that if you would hard to build up a company that some outside force can tell you who you can and can not fire.

I'm confused by your post. You don't believe that people should have protection from discrimination? The overweight are not a protected class, so someone in the private sector can fire you for being overweight. Do you think that that is just, or unjust? Would you find it just or unjust if you were fired for being a Christian? Do you have much experience working in the private sector?

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"Potter75" wrote:

I'm confused by your post. You don't believe that people should have protection from discrimination? The overweight are not a protected class, so someone in the private sector can fire you for being overweight. Do you think that that is just, or unjust? Would you find it just or unjust if you were fired for being a Christian? Do you have much experience working in the private sector?

I prefaced my statement that there were laws against discrimination. Obviously I would not be in support of firing someone because they are black or some other arbitrary reason. That is different than not being able to fire your employee because they were late 10 days in a row or because they mouthed back on a daily basis. You should not have to prove to an outside entity why you want to fire someone.

ETA - If I poured every dime I had into building up a business, I would want to be the one in charge not the Government. Following basic laws on safety is different than the government being involved in every aspect of your business right down to who you can hire and fire.

As for my experience I did work as a supervisor when I was first married. It was my job to hire and to fire, although I did not actually fire anyone.

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But you can fire your employee for those reasons.

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"Potter75" wrote:

But you can fire your employee for those reasons.

We just had a debate where people were talking about how impossible it is to fire someone.

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"AlyssaEimers" wrote:

I prefaced my statement that there were laws against discrimination. Obviously I would not be in support of firing someone because they are black or some other arbitrary reason. That is different than not being able to fire your employee because they were late 10 days in a row or because they mouthed back on a daily basis. You should not have to prove to an outside entity why you want to fire someone.

ETA - If I poured every dime I had into building up a business, I would want to be the one in charge not the Government. Following basic laws on safety is different than the government being involved in every aspect of your business right down to who you can hire and fire.

As for my experience I did work as a supervisor when I was first married. It was my job to hire and to fire, although I did not actually fire anyone.

I still think that I don't understand. What do you mean by the bolded? I am missing something. Can you give me an example of how you think that the government does the bolded in the private sector?