Should there be a tax on food high in fat?

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Should there be a tax on food high in fat?

Should there be a tax on foods high in saturated fats? FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Hold that cheeseburger.
Across the pond in Europe, Denmark is becoming the first country in the world to impose a so-called fat tax on foods high in saturated fats.
That includes everything from cheeseburgers and pizza to butter, milk, cheese and oils. Many Danes stocked up on these yummy groceries before the tax went into effect his weekend.
How much the "fat tax" is depends on how much saturated fat is in any given food, but it comes out to about $3 for every 2 pounds of saturated fat.
Officials say the goal is to increase the average life expectancy in Denmark, since saturated fats can cause heart disease and cancer.
Denmark has been a leading country when it comes to tougher policies on unhealthy foods. They have higher taxes on sodas, cigarettes and alcohol beyond what's required by the European Union. And they've increased taxes on ice cream, chocolate and sweets by a whopping 25%. Also, it's illegal for any food to have more than 2% trans fats.

Do you think U.S./Canada should impose this as well, something similar, or not at all?

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There are extra taxes on cigarettes and booze. I think this would be a good idea. Especially if they lower the prices on fresh foods.

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No. Imposing more taxes to pay for our gov'ts bad decisions under the guise of my well being is stupid. Cigarettes and booze are not necessary for life. Food is, regardless of whether it comes from a vaccum sealed bag or off a tree. I would love to see more help go to farmers so healthy foods are less money and more people can then afford them. But just making unhealthy food more expenisive, will just make more people go hungry.

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Oh heck no! Other "sin taxes" impact the user - fat is necessary for human life! Don't penalize my healthy family for our healthy and moderate consumption of healthy fats!

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I think it is a great idea! The tax is only on foods of a certain fat percentage or higher so it wouldn’t affect the healthier foods with moderate fat. I think that those of us who choose to partake in things (smoking, alcohol, junk food) that will cause more health issues should make a higher contribution in taxes. Maybe this will help offset the costs that we will cause for healthcare later in life. I also think that healthy things shouldn’t have any taxes and should be reasonably priced. We need to make it easier to eat and act in healthy ways.

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Cheese is healthy. Eggs are healthy. Peanuts are healthy. Overeating and not exercising are not healthy. Kids brains need fat. How any parent could be for this is beyond me.

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"Potter75" wrote:

Cheese is healthy. Eggs are healthy. Peanuts are healthy. Overeating and not exercising are not healthy. Kids brains need fat. How any parent could be for this is beyond me.

Yes all of those things are healthy and they may be above the limit. The tax is on things with higher than 2.3% saturated fats. Eggs and peanuts have fat but much of it isn't saturated. Cheese will definitely be taxed higher. But maybe it will encourage people to eat less cheese or low fat cheese as many will over do it and just eat lots and lots of cheese (guilty here!).

The target of this tax isn't people like you who eat healthy fats but those who live on junk foods. The amount of unhealthy fats I see consumed by the children around me is terrible! If those parents had to pay more to feed their kids junk then maybe they might choose something healthy more often.

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"fuchsiasky" wrote:

Yes all of those things are healthy and they may be above the limit. The tax is on things with higher than 2.3% saturated fats. Eggs and peanuts have fat but much of it isn't saturated. Cheese will definitely be taxed higher. But maybe it will encourage people to eat less cheese or low fat cheese as many will over do it and just eat lots and lots of cheese (guilty here!).

The target of this tax isn't people like you who eat healthy fats but those who live on junk foods. The amount of unhealthy fats I see consumed by the children around me is terrible! If those parents had to pay more to feed their kids junk then maybe they might choose something healthy more often.

Regardless of who you think that "target" is, of course this will affect me. We consume those foods on a daily basis. Parents already do pay more to feed their kids junk food ~ (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/opinion/sunday/is-junk-food-really-cheaper.html?pagewanted=all) ~ and we as a nation are fatter than ever. At some point we are going to have to learn that stigmatizing whole foods has done NOTHING to increase our health as a nation.

I'd also rather brillo off my taste buds than ingest low fat cheese.
I would fight rabidly against a tax such as this.

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"Potter75" wrote:

Oh heck no! Other "sin taxes" impact the user - fat is necessary for human life! Don't penalize my healthy family for our healthy and moderate consumption of healthy fats!

Exactly. And frankly, squeeze any more tax out of me and this well will run dry.

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"fuchsiasky" wrote:

I think it is a great idea! The tax is only on foods of a certain fat percentage or higher so it wouldn’t affect the healthier foods with moderate fat. I think that those of us who choose to partake in things (smoking, alcohol, junk food) that will cause more health issues should make a higher contribution in taxes. Maybe this will help offset the costs that we will cause for healthcare later in life. I also think that healthy things shouldn’t have any taxes and should be reasonably priced. We need to make it easier to eat and act in healthy ways.

But why do you get to decide what sin is and should be taxable? It bothers you to see kids eating fatty foods, so you think it's ok to tax it?

Um, ok.
It bothers me when women wear short shorts and thier thong straps show. Tax It!
Homophobes bother me. Tax 'Em!
White men who dance badly and do the overbite face while dancign badly. Tax 'Em.
Republicans. Tax 'em! Wink
Racists. Tax 'Em.
Stupid email forwards. Tax It!

Hmmm, maybe you are on to something here.

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From a perspective of a public health care system, it makes sense.

I disagree with taxing things like eggs, milk, and butter though. Staple foods should be exempt. It is the junk foods like chips, candy, prepackaged stuff (pizza, poptarts, fish sticks, etc) that should be targeted.

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I like the taxing email forwards idea.

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"kris_w" wrote:

From a perspective of a public health care system, it makes sense.

I disagree with taxing things like eggs, milk, and butter though. Staple foods should be exempt. It is the junk foods like chips, candy, prepackaged stuff (pizza, poptarts, fish sticks, etc) that should be targeted.

This leads me to question how the gov't deciphers which is considered junk food to tax and which ones are not. In our state, candy and soda is already taxed, but chips and cereals with high sugar content are not. Premade hot foods are taxed, premade frozen foods are not. Are you thinking the foods that should be taxed are ones where they're not made 100% from staple ingredients (i.e. processed foods)?

I do think they should ban trans fats though. I have not heard one thing that is good about trans fats.

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I'd love to tax the email forwarders!

As I sit here eating chevre while I cut up sausage for roasted sausage and peppers I have a very clear picture of why I am against this tax Smile

We have this freaky idea that fat is like some devil or something here in America, while we get more and more overweight. Fat is necessary for human life! I have to reiterate again that the idea of any parent being for things like whole milk or cheese or nuts or nut butters or eggs being MORE expensive just floors me.

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"kris_w" wrote:

From a perspective of a public health care system, it makes sense.

I disagree with taxing things like eggs, milk, and butter though. Staple foods should be exempt. It is the junk foods like chips, candy, prepackaged stuff (pizza, poptarts, fish sticks, etc) that should be targeted.

Hmmm. Milk is $3.46 a gallon. A Tostino's Pizza is $1.10. Makes so much sense to make the cheap food more expensive and screw the poor people so they can't buy anything.

And I am making the assumption that we are talking about the impact on the poor because y'all keep reiterating the health care system costs. So you must not be takling about people with health insurance.

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"Beertje" wrote:

This leads me to question how the gov't deciphers which is considered junk food to tax and which ones are not. In our state, candy and soda is already taxed, but chips and cereals with high sugar content are not. Premade hot foods are taxed, premade frozen foods are not. Are you thinking the foods that should be taxed are ones where they're not made 100% from staple ingredients (i.e. processed foods)?

I do think they should ban trans fats though. I have not heard one thing that is good about trans fats.

I wouldn't be opposed to a system where all fruits/veggies (fresh or frozen), dairy products (milk, eggs, cheese, yogurt), bread, and staple foods (flour, oats, rice, beans, etc) were tax free. And the processed stuff (middle rows in the grocery store basically) were taxed. Chips and crap could be taxed higher than, say, cheerios.

I'm sure it would never happen.

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"Potter75" wrote:

I'd love to tax the email forwarders!

As I sit here eating chevre while I cut up sausage for roasted sausage and peppers I have a very clear picture of why I am against this tax Smile

We have this freaky idea that fat is like some devil or something here in America, while we get more and more overweight. Fat is necessary for human life! I have to reiterate again that the idea of any parent being for things like whole milk or cheese or nuts or nut butters or eggs being MORE expensive just floors me.

I agree. Sugar is FAR worse than fat. All our healthy, fat free stuff is just loaded with sugar. And I would not like to see milk, eggs, and stuff taxed. I don't think people are getting fat because they are drinking too much milk.

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Modified corn starch and sugar are the 2nd and 3rd ingredients in cheerios. How do you decide (and who decides) what is junk and what is fine?

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And there's a ton of fat-free junk out there, much of it loaded with chemicals. But it doesn't have the dreaded fat, so is it tax free?

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"culturedmom" wrote:

Hmmm. Milk is $3.46 a gallon. A Tostino's Pizza is $1.10. Makes so much sense to make the cheap food more expensive and screw the poor people so they can't buy anything.

And I am making the assumption that we are talking about the impact on the poor because y'all keep reiterating the health care system costs. So you must not be takling about people with health insurance.

You can buy a frozen pizza for $1.10???

If that is the case, prices are seriously messed up. I'm in Canada and milk is close to $5 and a frozen pizza is regular priced $6-8 (the best sale maybe $4). If milk remained at $5 and a pizza became $10, maybe people would think twice.

When I talk about health care, I mean everyone, rich and poor, as all are covered and paid for through publicly funded health care (or as I prefer to call it, my tax dollars). Since the gov't covers the tab when we get sick, I think they have the right to tax accordingly to cover those costs. Especially, in instances like cigarettes, alcohol, and junk food where we know with absolute certainty that they negatively impact health.

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"culturedmom" wrote:

Modified corn starch and sugar are the 2nd and 3rd ingredients in cheerios. How do you decide (and who decides) what is junk and what is fine?

Well, if you're buying cereal, I think cheerios are a better bet than coco puffs or marshmellow lucky charms.

They still aren't good. My kids eat homemade oatmeal.

Who would theoretically decide? Maybe a panel of dietitians.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

And there's a ton of fat-free junk out there, much of it loaded with chemicals. But it doesn't have the dreaded fat, so is it tax free?

It should be taxed too. I'm an equal opportunity junk food taxer Smile

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"kris_w" wrote:

You can buy a frozen pizza for $1.10???

If that is the case, prices are seriously messed up. I'm in Canada and milk is close to $5 and a frozen pizza is regular priced $6-8 (the best sale maybe $4). If milk remained at $5 and a pizza became $10, maybe people would think twice.

When I talk about health care, I mean everyone, rich and poor, as all are covered and paid for through publicly funded health care (or as I prefer to call it, my tax dollars). Since the gov't covers the tab when we get sick, I think they have the right to tax accordingly to cover those costs. Especially, in instances like cigarettes, alcohol, and junk food where we know with absolute certainty that they negatively impact health.

Well I can;t debate Canadian law. In the United States we have to pay for our own health care and since I pay for it ($400 a month) I don'tneed ot pay anymore in taxes based on what someone else thinks I shoudl be eating.

And hellz yes Tostino's pizza is $1.10 and sometimes you can find it on sale for 10 for $10. I've been po' and I know how to get buy on a dollar. Milk at $3.50 a gallon vs red drink at $1.25 gallon. It's a no brainer. Which is why until we fix the price difference between food products, taxing the affordable food becaue people who can afford it, is really wrong in my book.

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"culturedmom" wrote:

But why do you get to decide what sin is and should be taxable? It bothers you to see kids eating fatty foods, so you think it's ok to tax it?

Um, ok.
It bothers me when women wear short shorts and thier thong straps show. Tax It!
Homophobes bother me. Tax 'Em!
White men who dance badly and do the overbite face while dancign badly. Tax 'Em.
Republicans. Tax 'em! Wink
Racists. Tax 'Em.
Stupid email forwards. Tax It!

Hmmm, maybe you are on to something here.

I think that things that are proven to cause health problems should have extra taxes and those taxes should go into health care. I think those of us who choose to add health problems through out lifestyles should pay a bit extra into the health system. One way of doing this is to tax the things that are proven to cause health problems.

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"kris_w" wrote:

From a perspective of a public health care system, it makes sense.

I disagree with taxing things like eggs, milk, and butter though. Staple foods should be exempt. It is the junk foods like chips, candy, prepackaged stuff (pizza, poptarts, fish sticks, etc) that should be targeted.

I do agree with the bolded.

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"culturedmom" wrote:

Well I can;t debate Canadian law. In the United States we have to pay for our own health care and since I pay for it ($400 a month) I don'tneed ot pay anymore in taxes based on what someone else thinks I shoudl be eating.

And hellz yes Tostino's pizza is $1.10 and sometimes you can find it on sale for 10 for $10. I've been po' and I know how to get buy on a dollar. Milk at $3.50 a gallon vs red drink at $1.25 gallon. It's a no brainer. Which is why until we fix the price difference between food products, taxing the affordable food becaue people who can afford it, is really wrong in my book.

What about those that are on medicaid or medicare? Those are through public dollars, so of course Gov't pays dearly for health care needs. What if the health insurance companies are for this as well in hopes to reduce healthcare spending to keep premiums down? If they're already taxing some junk food, why not tax on other deemed junk food? I don't get why some junk foods are more special than other junk food that they get taxed while others don't. I'm not hearing complaints about these items being taxed, even from the poor.

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No taxes! and I venture to say remove subsidies too, and let it all even out.. Get the dang government out of the decisions!

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"kris_w" wrote:

You can buy a frozen pizza for $1.10???

If that is the case, prices are seriously messed up. I'm in Canada and milk is close to $5 and a frozen pizza is regular priced $6-8 (the best sale maybe $4). If milk remained at $5 and a pizza became $10, maybe people would think twice.

When I talk about health care, I mean everyone, rich and poor, as all are covered and paid for through publicly funded health care (or as I prefer to call it, my tax dollars). Since the gov't covers the tab when we get sick, I think they have the right to tax accordingly to cover those costs. Especially, in instances like cigarettes, alcohol, and junk food where we know with absolute certainty that they negatively impact health.

Absolutely! I think for Canada a system of taxing the things that will impact the health system could work well.

Here the junk food does cost more already. I can buy milk and cereal for about $7 and could feed the kids breakfast for a week. A pizza is $3-$9 and will feed us for a meal (or a snack if we are all eating).

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"culturedmom" wrote:

Well I can;t debate Canadian law. In the United States we have to pay for our own health care and since I pay for it ($400 a month) I don'tneed ot pay anymore in taxes based on what someone else thinks I shoudl be eating.

And hellz yes Tostino's pizza is $1.10 and sometimes you can find it on sale for 10 for $10. I've been po' and I know how to get buy on a dollar. Milk at $3.50 a gallon vs red drink at $1.25 gallon. It's a no brainer. Which is why until we fix the price difference between food products, taxing the affordable food becaue people who can afford it, is really wrong in my book.

How do you suggest fixing the price difference? You can't possibly expect the healthy food to get cheaper (you pay WAY less than us already), so isn't the only other alternative to make the "affordable" food (ie. junk) more expensive?

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"Rivergallery" wrote:

No taxes! and I venture to say remove subsidies too, and let it all even out.. Get the dang government out of the decisions!

And the minimalist govt side of me agrees with this. The govt should generally just butt out.

However, since it won't, and since it pays for health care (here), I think it can intervene and help recoup some of those costs.

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"Potter75" wrote:

Cheese is healthy. Eggs are healthy. Peanuts are healthy. Overeating and not exercising are not healthy. Kids brains need fat. How any parent could be for this is beyond me.

Absolutely agree with you!

I think this is a ridiculous idea. Stay out of my kitchen and my cupboards and stop trying to tell me what I can do, what I can eat and how I should live.

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"freddieflounder101" wrote:

And there's a ton of fat-free junk out there, much of it loaded with chemicals. But it doesn't have the dreaded fat, so is it tax free?

agree and most nutritionists and trainers will tell you that eating "fake fats" or the food that are supplemented with sugars to maintain taste but still be lowfat or fat free can be much worse for your body and health than a regular natural fat.

Once I read about what diet coke does I would never choose it again. I don't like soda much, but I will have regular coke now instead.

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Would those of you in the states support taxing 'unhealthy' foods (decided by a panel of dietitians) if the money went towards subsidizing the healthy options?

Essentially lowering the price of healthy foods, while at the same time raising the price of junk food?

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"fuchsiasky" wrote:

I do agree with the bolded.

So you changed your opinion on cheese and eggs and nuts and the like?

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"Potter75" wrote:

So you changed your opinion on cheese and eggs and nuts and the like?

I don't think there should be taxes on those items. I was trying before to think out whether they would be exempt but I couldn't find the right info. To me those are healthy items.

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At some point in time we need to stop adding new taxes.

I also think putting in a tax like this will give people the idea that fat is bad in all forms. We know that there is a lot of misinformation out there already, this will just add to the fat is bad idea and force people to go to more processed food.

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"culturedmom" wrote:

It bothers me when women wear short shorts and thier thong straps show. Tax It!
Homophobes bother me. Tax 'Em!
White men who dance badly and do the overbite face while dancign badly. Tax 'Em.
Republicans. Tax 'em! Wink
Racists. Tax 'Em.
Stupid email forwards. Tax It!

I like it! I love sin taxes.

I agree with Potter and Elleon, however. Just because something has fat in it doesn't make it unhealthy. Aspartame is much worse, and low-fat foods are very bad for people's bodies. I would have no problem with a tax on junk/fast food, but efforts must be made to make whole foods more accessible to people in the lower classes.

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"Potter75" wrote:

Oh heck no! Other "sin taxes" impact the user - fat is necessary for human life! Don't penalize my healthy family for our healthy and moderate consumption of healthy fats!

This. And the remainder of what Melissa said.

Don't parent my children, I'm already doing that, thank you very much.

Next they'll impose a pregnancy tax for those under a certian income bracket or a child-bearing tax for parents who are classified as "bad".

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I have five things to say.
First. A Tostinos pizza is not a real pizza. It's about the size of a man's hand and you could probably use it as a frisbee before you would use it as a meal.

Second. Butter is not a staple in most of the households I know of. We rarely use it unless we are baking or making grilled cheese. It has no nourishment value and should not be exempt if we were going to tax it.

Three. Taxing things doesn't really work as well as the government would like to think it does. If they revamped the food programs that are for the poor to where they could only buy healthy items, we'd see a much much much larger return on our investment instead of just paying extra for the junk food they can purchase with the card.

Four. We should definitely tax email forwards.

Five. I'm pregnant!!!

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"wlillie" wrote:

I have five things to say.
First. A Tostinos pizza is not a real pizza. It's about the size of a man's hand and you could probably use it as a frisbee before you would use it as a meal.

Second. Butter is not a staple in most of the households I know of. We rarely use it unless we are baking or making grilled cheese. It has no nourishment value and should not be exempt if we were going to tax it.

Three. Taxing things doesn't really work as well as the government would like to think it does. If they revamped the food programs that are for the poor to where they could only buy healthy items, we'd see a much much much larger return on our investment instead of just paying extra for the junk food they can purchase with the card.

Four. We should definitely tax email forwards.

Five. I'm pregnant!!!

To the bolded: :yahoo::party::yahoo: Congrats!!!!!

To number three: I completely agree with that idea. They easily could change the system similar to the WIC vouchers but ability to use the EBT card instead, reading the bar codes and what was entered before payments. However, this would not address the issues for those that are not on public assistance.

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Lillie!!!!!! Yay!!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!!!!

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Thanks, I'm so happy.

"Beertje" wrote:

To the bolded: :yahoo::party::yahoo: Congrats!!!!!

To number three: I completely agree with that idea. They easily could change the system similar to the WIC vouchers but ability to use the EBT card instead, reading the bar codes and what was entered before payments. However, this would not address the issues for those that are not on public assistance.

But it just might. If you think about it, there are a *lot* of people on public assistance right now. If they were unable to purchase items with their food cards, then the demand for those items would go down, right? So if the demand goes down, then the cost to supply it goes up which would make it more expensive for those that purchase it with cash. Which might lead to the person that was buying a bag of Cheetos grabbing a bag of apples instead.

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"wlillie" wrote:

I have five things to say.
First. A Tostinos pizza is not a real pizza. It's about the size of a man's hand and you could probably use it as a frisbee before you would use it as a meal.

Second. Butter is not a staple in most of the households I know of. We rarely use it unless we are baking or making grilled cheese. It has no nourishment value and should not be exempt if we were going to tax it.

Three. Taxing things doesn't really work as well as the government would like to think it does. If they revamped the food programs that are for the poor to where they could only buy healthy items, we'd see a much much much larger return on our investment instead of just paying extra for the junk food they can purchase with the card.

Four. We should definitely tax email forwards.

Five. I'm pregnant!!!

To the second bolded: Congratulations!!!! HH9M!!!:D

To the first bolded: :confused: I thought butter, in moderation, was good for you. I thought it had a bunch of vitamins and minerals and was actually healthy for your heart.

If I have a choice between butter or margarine, or a recipe says to use either, I always use butter. I can't stand the taste of margarine. I don't think it's natural to eat something that at room temp would be an oil if not for the fact it was infused with air to keep it semi-solid. Blek.

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Butter isn't healthy, but it is better for you than margarine in some instances. Not many though.

http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/prevention/askdietician/margarine.aspx

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Oh, Lillie I am thrilled for you!!! Jason is going to be a wonderful big brother!!!! Smile wishing you an easy and happy 40 weeks!

Margarine is the skeeve of the earth, however. We love butter, the fattier and creamier the better Smile Butter from pastured cows is BRIGHT yellow, and beautiful in its creamy goodness. We use it for baking, all of our cooking or bread dipping happens with olive oils, but I would never, ever, have margarine in my house. I'd just as soon eat plastic legos.

Fred Rohe, PPNF Health Journal

Back in 1967 or so…a food technologist told me how he thought the term “plastic food” must have originated. Some biochemist, he speculated, must have observed that when looked at through a microscope, a hydrogenated fat molecule looks very much like a plastic molecule…. “Lipid chemists,” he explained, “actually talk about the plasticizing oils”…I decided to discontinue selling margarine—as well as products containing vegetable shortening, margarine’s cousin—and to perform a little experiment.

It was quite nontechnical…I put a cube of margarine, the kind I had been selling, on the saucer and placed the saucer on the window sill in the back room of my store. I reasoned that if I made it readily available and if it was real food, insect and microorganisms would invite themselves to the feast. Flies and ants and mold would be all over it just as if it were butter….That cube of margarine became infamous. I left it sitting on the window sill for about two years. Nobody ever saw an insect of any description go near it. Not one speck of mold ever grew on it. All that ever happened was that it kind of half-puddled down from the heat of the sun beating through the windowpane, and it got dusty—very dusty, a cube margarine doesn’t clean up very well. Finally, it got to looking so revolting that I decided to terminate the experiment. For me, the experiment had not been fore-shortened; I had reached the conclusion long ago that margarine basically is not food, whether or not it’s like plastic.

Fred Rohe, PPNF Health Journal

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Thanks! I don't use much margarine either though. I don't think either of them should be exempt from any health issue laws.

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Just popping in to say "Congratulations" Lillie!! That is fantastic news!

Wishing you a wonderful pregnancy! Smile

~Missy

P.S. On the debate, agreeing with those that said no to the tax. Lana made an excellent point that this would make a horrific impact on the poor. What I would love to see are more local / U.S. production of fruits and vegetables again to help drive prices down by increasing the supply of these products. I'm loving the revival of more co-ops and recognize that lower prices on these will give those least able to afford eating healthy more options.

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Lillie, CONGRATULATIONS!!! Wonderful!!!

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"wlillie" wrote:

Three. Taxing things doesn't really work as well as the government would like to think it does. If they revamped the food programs that are for the poor to where they could only buy healthy items, we'd see a much much much larger return on our investment instead of just paying extra for the junk food they can purchase with the card.

Four. We should definitely tax email forwards.

Five. I'm pregnant!!!

To #3 - I love that idea!

To #4 - I think I'm liking that idea too - LOL!!

To #5 - Wooooooo!!!!! Congrats and a super easy happy healthy 9 months to you!!!!!

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Joined: 09/17/07
Posts: 1796

Thanks everyone!

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Joined: 04/10/09
Posts: 780

Congrats Lillie!!!:)